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  • Steve Parks,

    Dyan, yeah, it was (as you no doubt realise) a flippant comment. I'm a nervous flyer myself. I've gotta stop watching Air Crash Investigation.

    What if instead of abortion we swapped it for infanticide?


    Why would we do that? An infant can survive without the use of another person's body, a foetus can't.

    If the infant in question needs their father's kidney, liver or bone marrow to survive they have no legal or moral right to demand that biological father hand over the use of his body to an infant. I would be horrified to see anyone's rights extend to the use of another individual's body, against the donors wishes.

    Excellent way of putting it. (This kind if fleshes out the 'Violinist' thought experiment really well.)

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1165 posts Report

  • Keir Leslie,

    I'm sorry but I'm having difficulty understanding that. Could you say that again.

    Well, Tess is saying that any human life, up to and including a just fertilised egg, is as deserving of protection as any other human life, right?

    And so a fertilised egg can be swapped for any other human in any true statement about the right to life.

    So, if I say a fertilised egg can be killed in case of incest, I must also say the same of a month-old baby if I am to be consistent. And if I say a month-old baby can't be, I must also say the same in the case of a fertilised egg, because I have granted that the two things are the same for this purpose.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report

  • Steve Parks,

    you're the scientist

    Poor baby.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1165 posts Report

  • dyan campbell,

    Do's he still wear electric socks?

    I'm afraid they only survived a decade or so beyond the war, but I they got quite a lot of use during skiing, skating and hunting seasons.

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 595 posts Report

  • Joe Wylie,

    It's not my fault if my mother these days only buys me books on the history of the Church.

    You lucky duck - all I get is the Reader's Digest .

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report

  • Keir Leslie,

    Why would we do that? An infant can survive without the use of another person's body, a foetus can't.

    Proves too much; incest exceptions premise bans on (for example) abortions-because-the-condom-was-shoddy. The argument-from-forced-medical-care won't let you ban those kinds of abortions, so you can't use it for or against incest exceptions.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report

  • sachae grey,

    world's greatest server
    tosses 'pregnant with incest'
    Recant Spent Forming
    Nectar Figments Porn

    Since May 2009 • 42 posts Report

  • sachae grey,

    i meant of course pregnant FROM incest

    Since May 2009 • 42 posts Report

  • Rich Lock,

    He was in hospital 3 months and the techniques of the great Archie McIndoe (from Dunedin!) were responsible for restoring his skin - he had only the faintest scars on his neck, where the grafts were placed. The patients called McIndoe "The Chief" and said he used to make them laugh by barking at the junior surgeons, then winking at the men as the junior surgeons scurried around looking terrified.

    Just been reading about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_McIndoe|McIndoe]] in relation to Richard Hilary.

    Wiki articles linked above for those that are interested.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report

  • sachae grey,

    also: Enact Frogmen Prints

    so there

    Since May 2009 • 42 posts Report

  • sachae grey,

    dunno if the defile hisself tempted me but the anagrammatology here is just BOGGLING
    http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=pregnant+from+incest&t=1000

    Since May 2009 • 42 posts Report

  • sachae grey,

    stand aside man, and seek only to do your threads and filets proud!

    Since May 2009 • 42 posts Report

  • LegBreak,

    I'm a nervous flyer myself. I've gotta stop watching Air Crash Investigation.

    I take it you've avoided the news this week then...

    BTW, and Off Topic; I blame that one on the Bermuda Triangle. Dismayed at the way the sceptics haven't picked up on that one yet.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report

  • Just thinking,

    If Pro-choice over abortion is the lobby also pro-choice on Euthanasia?

    To me they would have a similar logic as rights over ones own body, but it hasn't gained the same popular/legal currency.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report

  • Tess Rooney,

    But Pro-life lobbyists might see them as the same. What do you think Tess, do you make distinctions between euthanasia and abortion?

    I think both are morally wrong. However I have sympathy for those with say, motor neuron disease or MS, for example, who would rather have euthanasia. I don't agree with their decision, but at least they aren't killing someone else.

    OTOH I think euthanasia is highly open to abuse and pressure from family. Maybe not conscieous pressure, but it is horrible to see a loved one die a slow death. I worry that legal euthanasia could create a duty to die feeling across society, especially for the severely disabled whose care is expensive.

    Since May 2009 • 267 posts Report

  • Islander,

    I am totally in favour of freedom of choice for both abortion and voluntary euthanasia - for sane adults (or, when it's a matter of abortion for raped
    child or adolescent females, their independent non-religious guides/guardians.)

    I'd continue this right to euthanasia (and it will become so) for those who have made a living will (which means you have designated trusted people to act on your behalf when you no longer can.)

    Humans are a socially creative & inventive primate. Religion along with caste systems are the most toxic things we've so far come up with-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Just thinking,

    Steven, Tess & Islander, thank you.

    Islander surely religion isn't all bad. What about Father Xmas & the Easter Bunny? It's good times with family & friends.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report

  • Joe Wylie,

    What about Father Xmas & the Easter Bunny? It's good times with family & friends.t

    Yeah right.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report

  • Islander,

    Just Thinking-cool! We call those family/friends hui- Matariki and big birthdays, and Hogmanay, & golden wedding anniversaries (one happening in the family this week):takiaue & season openings and birth & death bonfires...social & seasonal celebrations which are hugely sad or enjoyable. greatly momentous & important to those involved - and totally irreligious. And entirely human-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Islander,

    Geez Joe! Wonderously awful!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Joe Wylie,

    In case you haven't seen it, the awesomely great Michael Sowa's take on the easter bunny.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report

  • Blake Monkley,

    What about Father Xmas & the Easter Bunny?

    Santa and Eater bunny should give all kids equal entitlements.

    Auckland • Since Jul 2008 • 215 posts Report

  • Islander,

    O glory!
    That is one of the frightening pictures all kids should know (posts to the grand nevvies/nieces- hmm, and their parents, and my mother-whooosh!)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • sachae grey,

    Humans are a socially creative & inventive primate. Religion along with caste systems are the most toxic things we've so far come up with.

    thus spake a truly silly fellow, who has not even reflected for one minute on how he might ever have come to be in possession of such a thing as language (not to mention the freedom to play so dull with it), and i reckon the best thing for heem is to get out there with a big-ass placard declaring I'M ROOTING FOR THE MONKEYS

    O Glory yerself mate!

    Since May 2009 • 42 posts Report

  • Islander,

    lilp - I know a great deal about language, including possible origins (which obviously includes fellow primates.)

    Since your wordplay is banal, and your insights - well, ok for an idiot- I'll not respond to you again.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

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