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  • complacenta,

    here is the quote from the NAPW webiste that truly makes me wonder


    "..Dr. Tiller was extraordinary. When I met him he talked about why women have abortions and how they understand them in terms of their religious faith and spirituality. He described his efforts to serve them with respect, making possible rituals that would allow them to say goodbye to fetal life that they in fact valued.."


    what terms could these be if they are not those of the oldest institution in the world, that of human sacrifice?

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Frankly, I cannot agree that
    a) a foetus is 'a little child' and
    b)"little children as such, way before any mere

    *gag*

    "overshadowing woman"

    (the rest of your quote doesnt make much sense to me but I gather you may mean "have a pre-eminent place.")

    I dont agree *at all* that the life of the foetus is more important than the life of the mother-to-be. In circumstances where it comes down to save mother or baby-to-be, I go my midwife sisters (I have 2 such) guidance - *always save the woman first* - with one exception (and both my sisters have encountered this): where you have a terminally ill woman who has clearly stated this beforehand, that she would prefer to die if her baby-to-be could then live.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • complacenta,

    my question, regarding the role of Dr Tiller as priest,
    remains, O Islander..

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • complacenta,

    i did not at any point describe said foetus as little child
    i simply asked if the logic with which the great social pressure bears
    down on a very conscious selection of those to escape disaster
    ie CHILDREN, is not weirdly inconsistent somhow with that 'logic' which subordinates the life of the 'lil' scrap of potentiality inside to the mother with a whole bunch of lived miles on the clock already?

    (forget the 'overshadowing woman, i was just tring to make an image of precedence)

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Dr Tiller was NOT a priest: he was an obstetrician who helped women with late-term abortions in especially difficult & trying circumstances (for the women involved.) He was - as noted- a very compassionate man, and he, and his staff, were guided by the women they helped as to what would help them, whether rituals or whatever.

    The oldest institution in the world is not human sacrifice, and, especially, not child or foetal sacrifice. Archaeologically, there is an abundance of dead child remains - because they were more susceptible to dying. Ritual sacrifices of children (almost never deliberately of foetuses) are relatively late in the archaeological record.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    And that's my last response to you on this matter.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • complacenta,

    "whether rituals or whatever"

    so what would he have done differently if he WAS a priest?

    i'm sorry but your 'archeaological record' is too majestically rendered for me

    how in earth do you yourself in relation to this record determine whether said remains are those of ritually-disposed babes or those of accidents 'of nature'?

    surely we should try to make this a little bit clearer?

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • complacenta,

    and how will the archaeologists of the future go about managing to distinguish between those who were ritually, properly sacrificed, and those who merely got in the way of our greater misadventure - oh i am sorry this is totally out of bounds, right?

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • Blake Monkley,

    Auckland • Since Jul 2008 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Good one Blake!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Blake Monkley,

    BTW -22 degrees Celsius and a clear blue day.

    Auckland • Since Jul 2008 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • complacenta,

    yeah, good one, CHEERS, bro! (doubtlessly a toast made in bad faith)


    Islander, please explain to me forthwith this akashic archaeology of your understanding!

    unless you would flee to the accounting of Jesus proposed by Rev.Layne with no further homework performed on yr part at all?

    why, who woulda thunkit of a "socially creative primate"?

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    Soo, anyone see watch Campbell Live tonight? That Gordan Ramsey eh... What a prat.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    He can be a good chef but...o dear. Celebrityhood gone to his head.

    Blake - I envy you your weather conditions: we have -22oC{I'm ice-mummifying some neighbours as we speak) but a really opaque charcoal sky...need solace amidst the gloom


    (slainthing!)

    Why, the delicate call of a laphroaig dram! How - warming!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I did not know that "slainthing" was a word - cool.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    ur, I'm not sure it is, before now Sacha-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Hey, neologising is fine by me.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Occupations I have run by te Tari Take:

    fungus plucker
    sinecurist (if only!)
    self-employed neologist

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • complacenta,

    cannot say otherwise, you make me feel like a beaten and cowed toddler already, who was only beginning to learn how to turn her 'why' into this superior 'how'

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • complacenta,

    the Slainthing sleeps tonight

    Since Jun 2009 • 26 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    Soo, anyone see watch Campbell Live tonight? That Gordan Ramsey eh... What a prat.

    I'll say. Never would have picked it.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Soo, anyone see watch Campbell Live tonight? That Gordan Ramsey eh... What a prat.

    Steve: My sympathy for the delicate sensibilities of Australian autocue readers is non-existent. Sure, he was a cock but it was really worth the Mosaic wratch of the Rudster? Fuck off.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    BTW -22 degrees Celsius and a clear blue day.

    Hell, I envy that weather too! It was fourteen in Sydney today; I'm sure it's been colder, but I can't recall when (recently). Nice place Noosa. I recall it has the most popular state/federal reserve is that correct?

    Apropos nothing in particular, I've finally found some time to quickly review NZ news and blogs, it's all got rather unpleasant hasn't it? (there's probably a thread for this rhetorical question).

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Apropos nothing in particular, I've finally found some time to quickly review NZ news and blogs, it's all got rather unpleasant hasn't it?

    Weather-wise? I find the cold rather bracing when its dry, otherwise its not much fun. If you're talking about Richard Worth (who's apparently been downgraded from a Scandal to an Affair), well... I really think the folks who "outed" Neelam Choudary should be feeling ashamed of themselves but won't. I expect the usual spectacularly self-serving 'public interest' excuses to be trotted out.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Sure, he was a cock

    And Julia Gillard was fantastic, telling stoneage rudeboy to fsck off back to the kitchen.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

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