Hard News: Te Qaeda and the God Squad
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That indymedia site is great. I love this from "Michael de Angelo", channeling Rik from the Young Ones...
Its time to rise get off your asses and fight against the hitlers new regieme called the NZ Govt. The Gestapo (NZ Police) need to learn that we as the people of this land will not bow down to dictatorship nor to corruption of our rights. We will not lay down but we will fight for our freedom. All Power To The People.
Right on!
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Heh, this story is big news for NZ. Which is one of the good things about NZ.
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I find the political restraint shown by all parties (so far) is welcome. I wonder how this sort of event would play out elsewhere. Election year in Australia, for example.
Seems like a pretty sensitive issue to me.
Not read kiwiblog recently but I also wonder how the resident nut jobs there are feeling. I distinctly remember a post from Mr, Redbaiter calling for folks to take to the hills with guns and to defend their freedoms. Are they in all out support mode for those arrested?
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Not read kiwiblog recently but I also wonder how the resident nut jobs there are feeling. I distinctly remember a post from Mr, Redbaiter calling for folks to take to the hills with guns and to defend their freedoms. Are they in all out support mode for those arrested?
There did seem to be a few of them demanding to know what all the fuss was ...
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djb,
I think the sentiments on chilling out are probably a bit easier to make if you don't live in Ruatoki and have armed police searching your school buses... but I appreciate the historical background. We should be asking where the Weapons of Mass Destruction are though, all that's shown up so far is hunting gear.
Can't help but wonder whether the police were thinking that they needed a way to get back onto the front pages "protecting public safety" rather than for sexual assaults - nothing like public fear of Maori activists and "hippies" (as they were bizarrely described on RNZ) to help with that PR work.
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On a pedantic note, isn't "sectarian" conflict between religious groups, or sects? Violence in Iraq is sectarian (Sunni vs Shia), violence in Northern Ireland is sectarian (Protestant vs Catholic), but I wouldn't characterise a struggle between Maori nationalists and the state as sectarian.
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It does seems a little otherworldly from afar, I wonder how long this will take to get play in the world newspapers, and if it makes the "oddly enough" or the real news section? My bet is I'll read about in the Guardian Saturday edition in a week or two. Title something along the lines of "trouble in paradise"
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the Dom Post's story this morning points out ... but – without the powers conferred by the Terrorism Suppression Act, which only came into force in 2002...
Now, if only the Terrorism Suppression Act had actually created such powers...
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Now, if only the Terrorism Suppression Act had actually created such powers...
I wondered about that.
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Big ups to Sean Plunkett this morning.
Gotta say this shit scares me and I don't trust the cops have got it right.
Was it all to get the bill through parliment?
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...this post from another forum...
Hey hey, credit where it’s due ;)
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I can sort of see the cops getting nervous about Maori activists clambering around the hills, and about some anarcho greenies planning to disrupt happy valley or whatever.
What escapes me is how these two divergent groups could be linked together. They do not seem like natural allies.
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First person bailed
"Judge Josephine Bouchier said that on the evidence before her at the moment, Lockett could not be considered to pose such a significant danger to the public that he should be in custody."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10470129 -
For once, catching up on this on PA took longer than on Kiwiblog. For starters, most of the PA posts were worth reading. Kiwiblog threads on it so far are a parody of themselves.
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It made BBC World last night (insomnia you see). I think it's a little early to be passing sweeping judgments on who is right and who is wrong at this stage. From Auckland and Wellington I think it is very easy to dismiss out of hand some of the very intense feelings in the rural and provincial areas. Remember the Coelisi virus - that's serious organisation.
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Smack in the face for the cops - Lockett has got bailed.
He seems to be the one about to wage war on NZ
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Correction due: the list of items in the scoop photograph linked to actually relates to an Auckland address - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0710/S00222.htm
My apologies for posting that pic to the system without providing the context!
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anarcho greenies planning to disrupt happy valley or whatever
Regardless of any anarchic tendencies, I don't think you could accuse the greenies of 'disrupting' Happy Valley, compared to Solid Energy's dismal scheme for the place...
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The bit at the bottom of the Scoop article George Darroch linked to might explain the "peace activist" link.
One of the flatmates of the raided Symond’s St apartment, Gary Cranston, said that six police raided the house in the morning.
He also said that while he was not involved with planning the upcoming training camp in the past they have involved teaching campaigning skills, media skills and there have definitely been no weapons.
“We are peace activists,” he said.
If I were a committed peace activist maybe I would regard teaching non-violent techniques to other groups as a very proper thing to do.
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On a pedantic note, isn't "sectarian" conflict between religious groups, or sects? ...I wouldn't characterise a struggle between Maori nationalists and the state as sectarian.
a maori-state struggle isn't sectarian. you might be able to characterise it as "anti-colonial" or "revolutionary". semantics and pendantics are important in this kind of situation because they let you know who and why people are fighting.
but in graeme's defence, he was alluding to maori nationalists and something like aggrieved farmers.
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Isn't "peace activist" a bit of an oxymoron?
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And I wince every time anyone's lawyer tries to make a direct link between this and Parihaka. The Government can't maintain a position for one term, little own 128 years.
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Isn't "peace activist" a bit of an oxymoron?
Why? Only violence has an active component?
I will grant you that "vigorously peaceful" has a funny ring to it....... -
Surely you need to be actively at war in order to aggitate for peace?
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Interesting posts about all this up on Bomber's Tumeke site.
It's always so hard to judge this sort of thing from the outside - are the Police being way too heavy-handed, or are they being prudent?
I just don't have the information to make an informed judgement yet.But reports of napalm bombs fill me with a certain degree of unease, no matter what the context.
So I'm going to wait and see.
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