Hard News: UPDATED: Media Take: Election Songs
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
And, if we are all honest with ourselves, that what these lyrics not only represent, but illustrate beautifully… a callous disregard for a young woman as a sex object for someone else to “make a point” – in this case the really weak “oh, I was looking for attention to “get out the vote”. Sorry the lyricist has had an epic fail there.
They were probably trying to pull an Eminem or Body Count, and missed the mark.
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Rich Lock, in reply to
Didn’t Russell describe himself as such? Even then, I’m amused when moderate liberals get the Reductio ad Stalinum label thrown at them – I’m looking at you, Redsterbaiter & Mr Loudon.
Wasn't the point that someone (Russell) on 'the left' can quite happily publicly note when they think someone on their 'team' is out of line, without the sky falling?
The obvious between the lines reading being that those on 'the right' don't seem capable of doing the same?
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Rich Lock, in reply to
Via Photoshop. And headed “Leader of the Pack”. In an election period.
Well, that's a zebra of a different stripe. Details that I wasn't fully aware of.
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What do "tribes" have to do with it? Russell and I have been having *cough* free and frank exchanges of views for years, but even if Fiona, Jimmy and Leo weren't friends I don't take cheap shots at them to get at Russell. He repays the courtesy. It's just what you do if you're not a complete rectum on the body politic.
And no matter what you think of John Key, I don't think subjecting his daughter to violent and sexualized lyrical bullshit is acceptable. That's just abuse culture in action and this shit has to stop. Full stop. Period. No exceptions or qualification accepted.
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Pharmachick, in reply to
I agree with you Craig. Its disturbing. I couldn't care less if this band is left, right or whatever, they've made a grave error of judgement with such violent tripe. I really wish they would come out and admit it was wrong.
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Pharmachick, in reply to
Yes, I can see that Deep Red. And there are many, many examples of "shock" tactics like this from the past. It is interesting that a lot of the guys from NWA now admit that some of the lyrics were wrong, although they still hold fast tot he protests they were making. I suppose with age comes … (well, wrinkles actually ;-) )
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Pharmachick, in reply to
Hi Tom Semmens, I'm truly sorry that I got you mixed up with Tom Scott the lyricist/singer yesterday.
I do take your point about attacks on democracy. Personally, I'm not partisan right or left but I sincerely worry about how this election is going. Maybe I'm earning my tinfoil hat for this, but I can't help but be very worried about the influence of foreign millionaires on our internal politics. All that being said, we have a lot of problems with our own wealthy and/or connected people trying to influence politics. It is great that people can still debate these things though in a civilized manner!
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Russell Brown, in reply to
What do “tribes” have to do with it? Russell and I have been having *cough* free and frank exchanges of views for years, but even if Fiona, Jimmy and Leo weren’t friends I don’t take cheap shots at them to get at Russell. He repays the courtesy. It’s just what you do if you’re not a complete rectum on the body politic.
That's very sweet of you Craig, but I should reiterate that "tribal" was my word. I'll own that :-)
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Also, everyone please note that as promised I've updated the original post with links to last night's show and relevant documents and opinions. Plenty to be chewing over!
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God grief. Graeme Edgeler has helpfully advised me that on the basis of discussions he's had with the Electoral Commission, this morning's guest post by James Dann about why he's standing in Ilam should carry a promoter statement, as if it were an electoral advertisement.
The same would not, however, apply if James' post were to be published as a newspaper column. This is strange.
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Idiot Savant, in reply to
The same would not, however, apply if James' post were to be published as a newspaper column. This is strange.
Surely PA of all places is a "news media Internet site"?
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Surely PA of all places is a “news media Internet site”?
"Hard News" even
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It does seem rather like an electoral advertisement. What’s crazy is not that you should be required to carry the promoter statement, but that practically every opinion piece in the Herald shouldn’t have to.
I mean the idea of these statements, so far as I understood, is so that people can know who is paying for the publishing. For print and billboards that cost can be substantial so it’s good to know who is the money behind them. But how much does letting James put a post on PA cost? Is it even one cent?
“Russell Brown stumped up the billionth of his total bandwidth and server space that this ‘advertisement’ cost. Follow the money!”
ETA: Sorry, got that all wrong. Authorization != paying for. So that's not the only purpose of the statements. I guess they're also to establish that this is actually something that James Dann does approve of being said in his name (which should be a bit obvious from the fact that he's the author).
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Greg Dawson, in reply to
Maybe I’m earning my tinfoil hat for this, but I can’t help but be very worried about the influence of foreign millionaires on our internal politics.
Do you have to be born overseas to be a “foreign” millionaire?
I've read plenty of research in the last few years indicating that becoming a millionaire makes you stranger (compared to most people) than simple geography ever could.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
It does seem rather like an electoral advertisement.
It wasn't solicited as such. I asked readers for guest posts, particularly about electorate battles.
What’s crazy is not that you should be required to carry the promoter statement, but that practically every opinion piece in the Herald shouldn’t have to.
Well, yeah.
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Chris Waugh, in reply to
It wasn't solicited as such.
Nor does it read as such. It's much more "this is what I've been doing" than "vote for me!"
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BenWilson, in reply to
It wasn’t solicited as such.
Is it your solicitation, or the purpose of the writing itself that makes it an advertisement? I read it as James making a perfectly valid pitch to raise his profile as an electoral candidate on a widely read medium. If it had been you or someone else writing about James, would it have required the statement? Graeme?
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
forex a jolly good fellow...
do you have to be born overseas to be a “foreign” millionaire?
John Key was born in Auckland
that's a foreign country to us Chchch folk
(even if we did raise that viper at our breast)
let's exchange 'foreign' for 'alien'
'cos he sure acts like he has 'a lien' on the country... -
Greg Dawson, in reply to
‘cos he sure acts like he has ’a lien’ on the country…
A fee? Fie! He only reigns until his foes stop fumbling, anyway.
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Yesterday's (26th August) Nine to Noon had a good segment with Hayden Wilson of Kensington Swan on the Planet Key song which discussed albeit briefly the different treatment of blogs and MSM.
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Allan Moyle, in reply to
But it's not news when same magazine is still sitting in doctors, dentists, physios's & tyre repair waiting rooms etc 3 months later, right in the middle of an election campaign and the AB's are playing AU, SAF etc. That is the calculation made by the message managers in getting that cover at the time they did.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
I’ve beanstalkin’…
A fee? Fie! He only reigns until his foes stop fumbling
We do need a ‘giant killer’ (figuratively of course!)
and ‘David’ Cunliffe does look a lot like Stumbo…
time for a real bridge builder
(look you can see the Greens in there)
rather than a spanner in the works…
(or a mega man!)
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Re the show on Tuesday night:
I thought Toi rather missed Laura O’Connell Rapira's point when he said 'we'll see you next election', as she had just stressed that phase II of RockEnrol's vision was to continue to engage young voters after the election.
Maybe you could check in with them 6 months on to see how it's going.?I also imagine RockEnrol will have cyclic work for every new cohort of eligible voters that comes of age each year, hell, every day.
...and why wait till election year to apprise them of their rights and power?
- it could be the new rite of passage the Government should send a letter to everyone when they turn 18, welcoming them to the plebiscite and assuring them their vote counts and why.
- its nice to feel included...and perhaps there's room for a 'younger version' of Media Take as well?
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Stephen R, in reply to
in the privet/public cusp.
Leaning on the hedge, as it were?
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Nor does it read as such. It’s much more “this is what I’ve been doing” than “vote for me!”
It seems to me and I think this needs closer attention, that if the material is coming from a left leaning site/person then the Electoral Commission gets their heckles up and wags the waggyfinger. I see no such thing pertaining to right whingers. Please correct me if you have seen such fairness.
I suppose you could, at a pinch, say stating support for the incumbent is doing nothing, nothing to see here, just keeping things the way they are, is not advertising, as opposed to... "new, improved, fairer, more shiny Cunliffe, removes Whale Oil Stains in a single wipe" which would be seen as an ad.
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