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Hard News: Whakamomori: Raw, open and honest

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  • Sacha,

    Yeah I give up. Better things to do.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19683 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Don’t we agree that follow-up is important?

    I’d like to put that in context.

    I don’t agree that Mike King needs to have a well-resourced organisation to provide the follow-up care thats needed. All he is doing is talking about suicide in a school. And thats not becouse I am an idiot.

    Like I said, the schools have a respectability of care for the children/young adults they educate. They need to be providing follow-up. This is not the same thing as a nation wide advertising campaign, remember.

    Like I already said. If the schools can’t cope with just talking about suicide, how in the hell do they cope with it actually happening. And it seems a little unhealthy to just not talk about it at all, until funds become available.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4310 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to steven crawford,

    Like I already said. If the schools can’t cope with just talking about suicide, how in the hell do they cope with it actually happening

    Steven, I'll get back to you with this after the weekend because a friend of mine is in one of Northland's High Schools and he is the Counsellor for the kids. I'll ask him how it works. I also know someone else who had a similar role in another Northland school so I'll see what the protocol is.
    Here is a recent survey's findings from the ERO, which may give some insight.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Thanks for doing that Sofie.

    And also, I have had my own in-house moderator go over this thread. She pointed out that the people who love and care about me, which includes Russell are saying that my behavior towards Sacha is uncool. Now that I’ve cooled down a bit, I can see the problem.

    Sacha, I got things a bit messed up. I apologise, you didn’t deserve that sort of criticism. I need to soften up.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4310 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to steven crawford,

    Thank you. We're good. Some days I am too busy to explain clearly.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19683 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    words, worth persevering...
    'Raw, open and honest' is never easy - and the above interchange of adults just goes to show there can be a path through, or several, when hands are extended, and minds aren't welded shut...
    To transfer a similar process of insights and openness down a coupla generations needs a lot of work by older people (and mechanisms of state) to show they are trustworthy and solid.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7887 posts Report Reply

  • Jane Pearson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    +1

    Since Feb 2010 • 28 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Nice one, guys.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Hi steven, my friend wasn't at our usual Sunday "church" so info will have to wait until next weekend but I do see that the ERO (not bad reading) has some informative surveys and reports which help a little to identify where kids can and do seek help. I also see not all schools have Guidance Counsellors with recommendations to rectify that. It appears that the Guidance Counsellors will seek external help for students should solutions be beyond their capabilities.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Here is a 2013 review, that recommends not taking Mike Kings approach to suicide prevention154 pages of it

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4310 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to steven crawford,

    Hi Steven. I asked my friend on Sunday if anything was in place for Kids at his School dealing with suicidal thoughts. He said they have a full time social worker who deals with that and she does have experience in that area.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

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