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  • rodgerd,

    Seems like there's a movement that thinks WikiLeaks is just too closely linked with Mr Assange.

    Don't worry, I'm sure the minute they procure anything of significance there'll be a long line of character assassins lining up to discredit them.

    Oh, and endangering lives.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 512 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson, in reply to Megan Wegan,

    I don't know how many times in the past 2 days I have said "There's a sexual assault charge, and there's Wikileaks. These two things are not necessarily related."

    Perhaps seperate threads:

    One for Wikileaks and the assorted revelations of diplomatic leakage.

    And one for Julain Assange's sex life and legal troubles.

    Very macho -- goobye #wikileaks, hello #wikicreeps. Am I the only person smell the faint odour of whale oil?

    Having to wade through 13 tonnes of hearsay, innuendo and assorted filth to reach any nuggets of interest - the Whale Oil effect.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    One for Wikileaks and the assorted revelations of diplomatic leakage.

    That would be the news column.

    And one for Julain Assange’s sex life and legal troubles.

    And the tabloid...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4082 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to steven crawford,

    And for those complaining about the dumbing down of journalism, just look at which of those two options this thread has returned to time after time..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19596 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Indeed.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Hannah,

    Psst, guys, you notice how there're more comments on this page about how important it is to talk about the cables and not about the allegations than there are about the cables and the allegations combined?

    I reckon if we stop talking about how no one talks about the cables and start talking about the cables, there might end up being a whole discussion about the cables.

    Not that I'm game to start, of course, personally being completely tabloid.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 228 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    I actually think that’s a bit unfair, you guys. I am really interested in the Wikileaks, um, leaks but when it comes to international diplomacy and governmental skullduggery I wouldn’t know beans from a hole in the ground, so all I can do is read the people who know more than me and react with a variant of ‘huh. Interesting. Let me think about that for a while’. Plus it is reasonably simple to instantly have an opinion about people’s sex lives, what constitutes ‘consent’, yadda. So it’s a lot easier for people to waffle on about that, in lieu of saying nothing about any of it and thus giving the impression that you don’t give a shit. When you do.

    (Did I just make an argument in favour of the increase of useless noise in a thread? Man, I did. Sorry about that.)

    ETA: I see that Tim's all 'be the change you want to see in the world/thread', and I can also totally get behind that!

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    I'd've thought that if you really supported Wikileaks' goals, your public response to the charges made against Assange should be something like:

    ...the off-duty conduct of a Wikileaks staff member is interesting. Now about that cable dump, what do you make of [insert outrageous governmental behaviour here]...

    not buying straight into the diversion with non-factual responses based on your wishes about how things we don't know much about will actually turn out.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3121 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Hannah,

    Oh bugger, looks like the opportunity has been lost.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 228 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Dam it, I am going to go tabloid. Thats what actually happened. And its really yuck.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4082 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Could everyone presently whining, page after page, about how no one's discussing the content of the cables and everyone else is all tabloid and shit for daring to discuss any other element of the story than that ... do me a really big favour and just write something interesting about the content of the cables?

    Why yes, now you ask, I am a bit over it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22688 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Why yes, now you ask, I am a bit over it.

    Took you long enough. [Redacted. Not helpful]

    Great show last night be the way. Embedded journalism is a subject worthy of much consideration. GG? Meh.

    Now, about those cables...

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Russell Brown,

    do me a really big favour and just write something interesting about the content of the cables?

    I tried about five times, and I wasn't the only one, but yeah, whatever. It's not as if PAS is the last remaining website in the world.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Russell Brown,

    just write something interesting about the content of the cables?

    I like this site So, Why is Wikileaks a Good Thing Again?

    Although it's a bit hit and miss.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • rodgerd, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Could everyone presently whining,

    OK, ok I can see I'm not welcome. I'll leave you to the soothing noises of Neil Morrison comparing Assange to Capill, or an assortment of people calling someone who has yet to have a day in court a rapist, which obviously makes you a lot happier.

    Forgive me for disturbing your bliss.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 512 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19596 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to rodgerd,

    or an assortment of people calling someone who has yet to have a day in court a rapist

    I challenge you to find someone in this thread who's done that. Just one. Go on.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I actually think what's happening to Assange is news. There's not much to it, but it is something that's happening now, unlike the stuff in the cables, which is mostly actually quite old, and have had alternate sources that mean they're hardly surprising. I mean do I really need any more detail than the thousands upon thousands of links provided in IraqBodyCount to convince me that the war in Iraq is immoral and out of control? We've actually already been exposed over the last 10 years to a lot of stuff that gives us reason to find the cables to simply be "more evidence of what we knew". Furthermore, it's not like what is said in the cables is "truth". It's just "the opinions of diplomats and various other secretly communicating officials". I don't know that Iran taught Al Quaeda how to make suicide bombs now, I just know that what the diplomats think aligns with a whole lot of press releases the Army made over the last 5 years. It could still be highly speculative bullshit. The same goes for Iran's nuclear program. Yes, now we know that *some* diplomats think what we have constantly been told by newspapers over the last 10 years is true. They could be totally wrong. It's not like I couldn't have found out that Saudi is constantly agitating for the US to have a crack at Iran - they've said so publicly a number of times, just in more "diplomatic" terms (ironically).

    So yes, it's interesting, more grist for the pacifist mill, and an interesting insight into the language of classified documents, but actually, any time I feel like sharing a revelation in there, I hit the "wasn't there a whole thread about this back in 2008?".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10596 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    Here's a topic for discussion: based on the cable contents, which US Embassy would you most like to be posted at?

    I'm thinking Rangoon sounds pretty great. I bet they also get to shoot elephants.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Danyl Mclauchlan,

    which US Embassy would you most like to be posted at?

    Ask a hard one. Amsterdam, of course.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10596 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    just write something interesting about the content of the cables?

    I see what you did there.

    But yeah, Keith filled the gap for PA. Thanks be...

    http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/2843/

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1645 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison, in reply to Danyl Mclauchlan,

    Following instructions from DIA headquarters, USDAO has sent the package via Diplomatic Pouch to Aberdeen Proving Grounds, through DIA, 3100 Clarendon, Arlington, VA. The box is marked “Secret.”

    why is the "secret" bit so funny, maybe cause it sounds almost like it was written in crayon.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    The individual provided a small bottle half-filled with metallic powder and a photocopied certificate of testing from a Chinese university dated 1992 as verification of the radioactive nature of the powder.

    The writer is intentionally or not a brilliant humorist. I would have over egged it and added it was in a jam jar.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    And off a Wired page just in case the Red Side finds something:

    It’s possible that terrorists, insurgents, extremists and wannabes are still Control-F’ing their way through the first tranche of 77,000 documents. If you see anything floating over the jihadisphere about WikiLeaks, let us know in comments.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1585 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Notionally Lula isn’t in charge any more, but I find this interesting nonetheless:

    (if you click through to the actual YouTube page, there are subtitles -- basically, he expresses solidarity with Wikileaks, hopes that Brazilian diplomats know their shit better than US ones, asks where the defenders of free speech are.)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3121 posts Report Reply

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