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  • Andre Alessi, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    Uh-huh. Remind me to tell you my Kevin Sorbo story, Jackie.

    I have a Bruce Campbell story from my time working in a bottle store around the corner from where the cast of Xena would have wrap parties. I only tell it when I’m feeling in particular need of self-flagellation though.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

  • Jacqui Dunn, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    Any time :)

    Deepest, darkest Avondale… • Since Jul 2010 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    No no no, you can't goss tease like that then walk away. I want FILTH! I want tales that you bad-touched the poor American tele-stud! Ideally, it must be simultaneously (and magically) obscene, pure fiction yet not actionably defamatory.

    I HAVE NEEDS!

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Bennett,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 170 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Simon Bennett,

    Where did you get that crazy idea from? :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Bennett, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Many years in the drama industry has taught me how to identify and dissect subtext.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 170 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Simon Bennett,

    Many years in the drama industry has taught me how to identify and dissect subtext.

    That was a bit harsh of her. I did think on Tuesday that there will be some really interesting dialogue about the depiction of masculinity, femininity, traditional and mythological gender stereotypes, promiscuity, GBLAT politics and then I thought; it's a TV show. Just STFU and enjoy it for what it is.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Jacqui Dunn, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    No no no, you can’t goss tease like that then walk away. I want FILTH! I want tales that you bad-touched the poor American tele-stud! Ideally, it must be simultaneously (and magically) obscene, pure fiction yet not actionably defamatory.

    I HAVE NEEDS!

    Oh-oh - how did I miss this scream of angst? Can you hold out till Saturday?

    IMPORTANT MESSAGE:( Boredom alert!) Tell all then, promise, but only if you insist.

    Deepest, darkest Avondale… • Since Jul 2010 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Jacqui Dunn,

    Not reading any reviews until we've seen the latest ep.

    Deepest, darkest Avondale… • Since Jul 2010 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • philipmatthews,

    Simon Wilson of Metro reviews on Nine to Noon, link through here:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2007 • 656 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    but would still tread very carefully indeed before appropriating something as deeply culturally significant as The Journey to the West or The Tale of Genji. They’re not just literary classics to be plundered at will like some Orientalist dress up box. They exist suspended in incredibly complex social, political, religious and cultural contexts that should be treated carefully. Not out of political correctness, but simple honour for other cultures that deserve it.

    Whaat? Did you not see Monkey? Was I not supposed to find it absofuckinglutely hilarious? Killjoy.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    'Monkey' was essential viewing for my entire generation in the UK, back when I were a wee lad.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to philipmatthews,

    Simon Wilson of Metro reviews on Nine to Noon, link through here:

    The funny thing, I'd probably have said much the same thing after one episode of Outrageous Fortune, and looking back at the first series it's pretty obvious there was a process of discovery and refinement going on. That's where television can get really interesting. One pretty extreme case is Cougar Town -- at the risk of sounding bitchy, Courtney Cox as the titular cougar, not interesting. Which is why it rather quickly morphed into a rather engaging ensemble comedy about Courtney Cox's self-absorbed dingbat and her functionally dysfunctional extended family.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to andin,

    Whaat? Did you not see Monkey?

    Oh, yes and it was enormous fun. But there, even the Japanese original (which was 13 episodes longer than the dubbed version, for reasons I can't figure out) was aimed at children. Of course they were going to play up the action and knockabout farce that were very much present in the novel, and not so much with the poetry, philosophical and religious dialogues and the now obscure political and social commentary. .

    But at the risk of being all PC, I would hope that if the BBC were taking another pass at Saiyūki they'd dial back on the British actors doing their best panto "Oriental" accents. That needs a bit of "well, it was the 70's" filtering, and I'm glad that (for example) the English dubs of Studio Ghibl films don't go there.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Studio Ghibli/Hayao Miyazaki are way too couth to do anything but to have the best of dubbing in English. A Japanese friend of mine, Tokyo-born & bred but with extensive experience in other Japanese regions, says that there is cognisance of the regional accents in the English-dubbing actors...which is why, I suspect, all the films Miyazaki-animationgod has produced have such a fan following among English-speaking Westerners.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    philosophical and religious dialogues

    yeah Tripitaka never really rang true.
    Tho’ I did get the social commentary, even as an adolescent.
    Well big kid should I say.....

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    But at the risk of being all PC, I would hope that if the BBC were taking another pass at Saiyūki they'd dial back on the British actors doing their best panto "Oriental" accents. That needs a bit of "well, it was the 70's" filtering, and I'm glad that (for example) the English dubs of Studio Ghibl films don't go there.

    They seemed to pull it off with Shaolin Soccer, which already has a layer of deliberate absurdity.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5423 posts Report Reply

  • Jacqui Dunn, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    (which was 13 episodes longer than the dubbed version, for reasons I can’t figure out)

    I think it's explained here

    Deepest, darkest Avondale… • Since Jul 2010 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I'd probably have said much the same thing after one episode of Outrageous Fortune

    Rescreened last year, first ep was brilliant right from the get go

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19695 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks, in reply to Martin Lindberg,

    there’s been some outrage by the casting of Idris Elba as Heimdall in the upcoming Thor movie.

    Quite. And the outrage continues after the release of the latest Thor trailer. Comments included:

    A Black man playing a norse God, NO THANKS. I’m not a racist, but none of our gods are black, hence, should not be played by a black man, PERIOD.

    ….

    erkenbrand-800-616680
    1 hour ago
    looks awesome! but why is there a black man acting as a norse god? you americans knows no bounds

    ….

    kevblake-980-655729
    5 hours ago Recently replied to
    there is something that doesn’t fit on this movie, a black guy as a nordic warrior??? it’s like putting an asian in a black tribe in Africa….Hollywood ‘Affirmative Action’ continues ladies and gentleman

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Steve Parks,

    Quite. And the outrage continues after the release of the latest Thor trailer.

    WARNING: The following contains intense comic-geekery that may cause nausea, hair loss and spontaneous abortion

    Odin fuck. Suck my hammer, bitches, because Heimdall is black in 'Thor: The Mighty Avenger' #6. (Written by New Zealand's own Rodger Langridge, FWIW.) So there - canonical authority!

    Also, if you really want to fan-wank it the Asgardians aren't any kinds of "gods" but super-powered beings who exist in another dimension that is peculiarly congruent with Norse mythology and cosmology. (Though I guess it's fair to throw in the standard caveat that continuity is basically non-existent in long-running Marvel/DC titles where everyone and everything is retconned, rebooted and generally thrown down the crapper with gay abandon.) So is it any more ridiculous that Heimdall is black than Thor having a thick Aussie accent when his father is obvious Welsh? :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Steve Parks,

    Quite. And the outrage continues after the release of the latest Thor trailer. Comments included:

    Yes, unfortunately that’s pretty much to be expected from IMDB commenters. They are right up there with YouTube’s commenters in terms of maturity and insight. Normally they just seem to ask if there are any teh boobs in the movies.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    Yeah, or they restrict themselves to "awesome" or "looks lame, LMAO at the FX". But I was a little surprised at the proportion of users commenting on the race issue after only a brief appearance of Elba in the trailer.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1164 posts Report Reply

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