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  • mark taslov, in reply to David Hood,

    But even later, once Judith resigned and Cam Slater took out the injunction, is it not a little strange that not once has there been any mention of an investigation into Rawshark? SImply to reassure Kiwis that if this happens then they can expect action?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    How anybody can call Edward Snowden anything but honourable, is beyond me. Here he is saving Democracy in Europe of all places? Who'd have thought he could multitask?

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    How anybody can call Edward Snowden anything but honourable, is beyond me. Here he is saving Democracy in Europe of all places? Who'd have thought he could multitask?

    I detect two distinct camps: those who think we'll always be at war with Eastasia (Trev Loudon, NZCPR), and those who have vested interests in America Inc (FranO, Chuck Finny). Or both.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5414 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    How anybody can call Edward Snowden anything but honourable

    Cruising the Guardian comments amid the revelations I encountered one comment detailing that one of the things that prompted Edward Snowden to blow whistle was a New Zealander who had become aware of his spying and was able to communicate back with him and highlight just how wrong this shit the NSA is doing is. Taken to be true, this could even have been our own Rawshark.

    I’ve been looking back for it for days, but it seems to have vanished, and I can’t find any other reference to this on the net.

    One of the crucial things to note with that article Sofie is that the NSA is run by the department of defence while the CIA is a civilian. Snowden is nothing but honourable but I think diminishing the power of the CIA merely leaves a vacuum and more territory for the NSA to exploit.

    In noting that it would be remiss not to also point out the strong connections between the Bush family and numerous other 20thC administrations with the CIA. So perhaps this could be something like the CIA as the house of Tudor being displaced by the NSA as the house of Stewart.

    It's very important to note that Xkeyscore, and nearly all Snowden's revelations are related to the workings of the NSA. Diminishing the power of the CIA does nothing to diminish the power of the NSA.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • krothville, in reply to mark taslov,

    I’ve been looking back for it for days, but it seems to have vanished, and I can’t find any other reference to this on the net.

    Let us know if it turns up. I've never heard of him having had his opinion changed about this by someone.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to krothville,

    I will, it's so strange, I immediately dismissed it, but it'd be a great story if it were found to be true.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • krothville,

    It certainly would be!

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to mark taslov,

    It’s very important to note that Xkeyscore, and nearly all Snowden’s revelations are related to the workings of the NSA. Diminishing the power of the CIA does nothing to diminish the power of the NSA.

    Oh yes I know, but I still admire the guy for caring about the world and being able to do something about it no matter what countries size. The US of A isn't too big to stop him no matter how difficult it must be. Personally, I have American family by the 100's and have seen how the powers that be there are in complete control. I know the machine is big, brother, and I know to go up against that is throwing your life to the wolves and I believe that Snowden must have a big cache that, combined with good cause (Greenwald, Dotcom) will get through to the people that care enough to get rid of shit Government like what we got tonight. How the fuck does an Electorate win with a large Labour vote but the Party vote go to National, time and time again. It makes nonsense. Who would vote electorate Labour candidate then Party, National? I'm sorry, but we got a shocking corrupt government with majority in the House, to night with no due respect to those who did that to me. Sad sad sad sad...stupid.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    How the fuck does an Electorate win with a large Labour vote but the Party vote go to National, time and time again. It makes nonsense. Who would vote electorate Labour candidate then Party, National?

    I might get a whack over the head for saying this but if you follow that thread to it's logical conclusion you may just well walk right into my smoking room for a sit down and a bit of a natter which could in its way diminish the that sick feeling one may get from a lost election and replace it with a more calm recognition of the bigger picture. Invite Steve too.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to mark taslov,

    you may just well walk right into my smoking room for a sit down and a bit of a natter which could in its way diminish the that sick feeling one may get from a lost election and replace it with a more calm recognition of the bigger picture.

    Hang on, I’ll join you…. tho' I dont suffer an Election lost I just Suffer fools every day. That's life.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Hail and thunder, God is not pleased.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Plus I’m bummed out Hone lost. IMP felt that manoeuvre a few days back and for all the strategy being played to get a left bloc, it didn’t work. I hope he stays around and I hope IP stay around. Their cause is all good.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Hang on, I’ll join you…. tho’ I dont suffer an Election lost I just Suffer fools every day. That’s life.

    Emailed, (a little more work for the machine). WIthout doubt I’m a fool, you’ve been enduring these posts for years but yeah, just for larks ’an all.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    tho’ I dont suffer an Election lost I just Suffer fools every day. That’s life.

    +1 :)

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    And we are ruled by a wunch of bankers...
    What could possibly go wrong.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    And we are ruled by a wunch of bankers…

    That's the Hampden. From the day the music died.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    And round in circles we go...
    Hooray for Holyrood
    That screwy, ballyhooey Holyrood
    Where any office boy or young mechanic
    Can be a panic, with just a goodlooking pan
    Where any barmaid can be a star maid
    If she dances with or without a fan
    Hooray for Holyrood

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Hooray for Holyrood

    Hey, at least this spectacle made up for the 2014 $300M+ TV dinner. It’s up with the best writing the industry has produced in a decade.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to krothville,

    Found it:

    BeyondGrave

    15 September 2014 3:17pm
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    One of the important parts Snowden left out, is that he was spying on the communications of New Zealanders just before he decided to leave the NSA.

    A New Zealander, whose communications Snowden intercepted (and whose personal thoughts Snowden violated) became the person to convince Snowden to walk out of the NSA.

    The person who inspired Snowden to escape his place of employment, was, in brief, a New Zealander.

    This is how it happened (loosely)...

    A person in New Zealand, who Snowden spired on, became aware of Snowden's intrusions and used the opportunity to "talk back". The person convinced Snowden to leave the NSA and even offered suggestions on how he should do it (including suggestions for Snowden to collect evidence in the form of whatever files he could, and to disperse such evidence among journalists).

    The person warned Snowden that Wikileaks was a known drop-off point and, if not an actual entrapment programme in itself, was at least heavily monitored. Whether Snowden bothered to check this advice with NSA resources at his disposal at the time is now unknown because Snowden has forgotten.

    Was this person an anomolous single incident, or are more New Zealanders of the sort at large? Doubtless a question any remaining staff within the NSA and associated units of Telepathic Interception are eager to answer...

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Cool story bro

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to mark taslov,

    I’ve been looking back for it for days, but it seems to have vanished, and I can’t find any other reference to this on the net.

    – Removed by the Mgt

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7876 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Removed by the Mgt

    Fnord

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2929 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to nzlemming,

    Attachment

    Fnord

    I C U
    …don’t leave the country till
    you’ve seen the fnords

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7876 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Sweepstakes!

    If Voting Could Change the System, It Would Be Against the Law

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • krothville, in reply to mark taslov,

    Thanks for that, certainly very interesting, how did the commenter know, and how did the person whose stuff he was looking at find out?

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

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