OnPoint by Keith Ng

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  • Ross Mason,

    Auditing costs for accountants is of the order of $450 / hour. Four letter acronym firms like this must be worth it.

    This shitfest is a systems problem. Demming would say, "Sort the system out first then sort out the operators".

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1588 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Interestinger & interestinger!
    And I’d far sooner, as a taxpayer, pay you (well, I have) and Ira than KPMG – who seem to have done a lousy boj (botch/op/job)-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    After all, it's not as if the people MSD ended up relying on - KPMG - did it for free.

    And effectively being paid twice for the same work takes a special sort of skill with contracts.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • DPF,

    Did Ira suggest a specific amount or range to MSD, as a "reward"?

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 78 posts Report Reply

  • Keith Ng, in reply to DPF,

    Did Ira suggest a specific amount or range to MSD, as a "reward"?

    No. He asked if there was a system. He was expecting a set rate for vulnerability reports.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 543 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    So, MSD are scumbags. Guess they're following the example set by their Minister then.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1711 posts Report Reply

  • Alex Coleman,

    Why the scare quotes David?

    Don't be evil on this.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 247 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Shades of Bronwyn Pullar.. #blackmail

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    I suspect that there weren't any jobs at KPMG advertised on the Work and Income database. Pity - there are obviously a lot of skilled people without jobs out there, and many with jobs but not sufficient skills.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3202 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    This angers me. Ira is a kind and gentle man. This act of revenge - which is all it can be described as - is entirely undeserved.

    Whoever released this obviously thought they could get away with it...

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to George Darroch,

    Kia kaha PAS!
    And, similar fora-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Any links to Mr Bailey being outed yet?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • James George,

    Well you're correct of course but that won't be how scumbag politicians and their paid liar lickspittles will paint it.
    We have seen with ACC, then Kim whatshisname, that a favourite wellington media handler's ploy is to insinuate the victim is just trying to screw 'the innocent kiwi taxpayer'.
    In Kim whathisname's case there has been absolutely zilch evidence that he plans on doing any such thing; that hasn't prevented the nat fanbois posing as journos on the herald et al from running stories about "How much Dotcom could sue us for".

    I really feel for your source who has just got past one extended round of media/pol bashing, cause now another round is pretty much inevitable.

    'we' or 'us' the humans who live in NZ should pay close attention to what happens and make sure we store away the name rank and serial numbers of those journos who buy into any such twisted nat slippery as an eel scam.
    Freedom of the press should never extend to carte blanche freedom to twist reality to suit a self interested outcome.
    Oh well chins up & remember what guru Malcolm said on Saturday:
    "The look we're going for is solemn respect, like blokes modelling underpants."

    Since Sep 2007 • 96 posts Report Reply

  • Jarno van der Linden,

    Great. Didn't they learn anything from the whole ACC saga?
    Hmm, as the police considered the Urewera 17 to be terrorists, by donating money to Keith I guess I just funded an organization connected to terrorism. Yay!

    Completely unrelated, I see that kiwileaks.*.nz domains are still available.

    Nelson • Since Oct 2007 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • barnaclebarnes, in reply to Islander,

    And I’d far sooner, as a taxpayer, pay you (well, I have) and Ira than KPMG – who seem to have done a lousy boj (botch/op/job)-

    Just a thought. What if KPMG had done a good job but after their pen testing MSD had released an update that opened up the computers to man+dog?

    It will be an interesting investigation.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 90 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Connelly,

    I am interested to know - if he asked for anonymity - why did you name him?

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2012 • 28 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to barnaclebarnes,

    mind wobbles a bit with the considerable complications & implications - I'm just an unhumble writer - not an IT person- so I can only gag a bit, study and then -probably throw up-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch, in reply to Martin Connelly,

    Martin, Keith did not name him. Someone at some level of the Ministry named him. This post exists because once someone is in the public eye, they deserve a right of reply; thus Keith is speaking for him.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Miller, in reply to Martin Connelly,

    Presumably they discussed it again in light of the fact that MSD revealed they'd been contacted by someone last week who'd "asked for money" and Ira changed his mind so they could get their side of the story out.

    Otautahi, Aotearoa • Since Nov 2011 • 17 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Just want to add my thanks and support for Keith and his source. You have done the whole country a huge favour, and I hope that knowledge will sustain you as things turn nasty.

    Time to watch Homeland ... taking a break from the unbelievable reality to the more believable fiction.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • insider,

    What exactly were the 'troubles' he wanted compensating for? The trouble of Not being able to find his flash drive in the directory? The trouble of exploring msd's files? The trouble of making a phone call to ask for money?

    Wellington • Since Sep 2011 • 31 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Cormack, in reply to insider,

    Like Keith said, bug bounties are a fairly standard thing, https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9230309/Google_boosts_bonuses_for_Chrome_bug_bounty_hunters
    I don't see anywhere where he wanted compensation for 'troubles'

    Wellington • Since May 2011 • 4 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to insider,

    ???????
    Why the fuck are these questions relevant?
    Please explain these to a bear of little brain - IF you are not engaged with a honey pot-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Toby,

    Has someone actually outed him, Keith, or is this preemptive? I haven't seen any reports naming him.

    pt chev • Since Mar 2011 • 27 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to insider,

    Curious why you put "troubles" in quotation marks when there is no reference to troubles in the original story nor this clarification.
    If I was less naive I'd think you were "poisoning the well" :-p

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 310 posts Report Reply

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