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  • dave crampton,

    As someone who was at the Family First event I have a first hand report on what Goff and Key said. I intend to do another on other aspects as well.
    http://www.big-news.blogspot.com/

    welli • Since Jan 2007 • 144 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Well, the self-conscious giggle was a mistake that seriously undermined the clip, but the shift in tone from "hat" to "pearls" worked for me. Maybe it's the uncanniness of seeing someone too familiar played by another person?

    well, for more disturbance, Gary Oldman as George Smiley?:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/video/2011/jun/30/tinker-tailor-soldier-spy-traiker?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3486

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Kracklite,

    well, for more disturbance, Gary Oldman as George Smiley?

    Oooh… that’s looks fun. Oldman is justly renown for reducing the hardiest scenery to splinters in nano-seconds, but he can also underplay most effectively. Would love to see Oldman playing George Smiley in films of A Murder of Quality and Call for The Dead – which Le Carre wrote before he started believing his own hype.

    (Sidebar: Is there some law I haven't heard of that Benedict Cumberbatch has to be cast in everything? Either that boy never sleeps, or human cloning is a reality.)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    (Sidebar: Is there some law I haven’t heard of that Benedict Cumberbatch has to be cast in everything? Either that boy never sleeps, or human cloning is a reality.)

    The cheekbones give him superpowers.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Christopher Dempsey,

    Many think psychopaths are slick masterminds, like Palpatine or Lecter, but really, they are aimless, deeply needy people and what strikes me most about Key, apart from his desire for self-aggrandisement, is his desperate need to be liked by everyone.

    That explains the heavy DPS presence then. What better affirmation than that, natch on a daily basis? The added bonus is that it neatly fills an empty hole a.k.a feeling inferior by throwing the DPS around like bling.

    Parnell / Tamaki-Auckland… • Since Sep 2008 • 659 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to dave crampton,

    As someone who was at the Family First event I have a first hand report on what Goff and Key said. I intend to do another on other aspects as well.

    Thanks Dave. I wonder if you've sold Goff short on the parental notification question though. I think he answered it more strongly than you indicate.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Becoming involved with disability activism has challenged some of my long-held assumptions around euthanasia, abortion and religion. I even found myself in the same seminar room as Bob McC himself a couple of months ago, which was a shock. I also know left-leaning people who are memebrs of FF. Many things are becoming less black and white as I get older, so I'm all in favour of conversations continuing in all sorts of venues on the grounds that we all have the capacity to keep thinking and learning.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    Yeah well, there tend to be the key issues that mobilise social liberals and conservatives alike- abortion and homosexuality. Euthanasia reform and drug policy are in the righthand corner due to the lack of professional medical opinion that supports euthanasia rights or progressive drug policy reform. And as for restrictions on alcohol availability goes, there seems to be surprising consensus across ideological lines, in favour of access and supply restrictions. And then there's the extreme issues field- like questions on welfare policy, where one would expect some stark differences.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 564 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler, in reply to Craig Young,

    Euthanasia reform and drug policy are in the righthand corner due to the lack of professional medical opinion that supports euthanasia rights or progressive drug policy reform.

    Re. "progressive drug policy reform", the NZMA is on record as being cautiously supportive.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 856 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    Cautious doesn't mean detailed and evidence-based support though. And there's still the fragmentation and obliviousness to their need for evidence-based policy from even the cannabis reform lobby...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 564 posts Report Reply

  • Xavier Goldie,

    To be fair, Phil Goff was quite clear in his opposition to parental notification for abortion, which is a Good Thing (JK was, as usual, wishy washy). Now we just really need to know where he stands wrt gay adoption...

    Canberra • Since Jul 2011 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    That explains the heavy DPS presence then.

    Heavy? As far as I’m aware, Key has exactly the same DPS “presence” as Helen Clark – not exactly someone you’d say suffered from small cock syndrome. And by international standards, the DPS is low-key and lightweight which is really kind of cool. Really, I know Key is going to get pissed on no matter what but this is getting downright Kiwibogian.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    As someone who was at the Family First event I have a first hand report on what Goff and Key said. I intend to do another on other aspects as well.

    Interesting that both had the questions given to them beforehand. On that basis, Key did pretty awfully in the clip I saw on TV where he answered along the lines of "Umm, I'd have to look into that". If that was his prepared answer...

    I don't mind party leaders going to these sorts of things and being polite, but clearly putting forward their party policy. What would most concern me if they went there and pandered for those votes, and then said something different elsewhere.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    Key, on gay adoption:

    Key (smiles inanely): Yeah but no but yeah but...(spins away, still grinning annoyingly)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 564 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Key on God: “I wouldn’t describe myself as atheistic

    Goff’s response was similar: “I`m not an atheist.

    Funny how they both got the A -word in, just so they could say they weren't it.
    Very cunning........ don't frighten the horses,
    Deeply profound or incisive thinkers on this important subject they are not.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • bmk, in reply to Craig Young,

    due to the lack of professional medical opinion that supports euthanasia rights or progressive drug policy reform.

    Regarding euthanasia yes. But there is becoming widespread support in the medical community for drug reform favouring the harm minimisation model and for it be seen as a medical rather than legal problem. In fact every medical review of drug policy suggests changing it but govts just ignore them everytime - Labour was as bad as National for this. While this approach is preferable I still don't like the idea of non-problem drug users being forced to undergo treatment but I guess this is still preferable to locking them up.

    I have a few friends in the States who were keen supporters of Obama and the two key issues that have led to them feeling very disillusioned in him are the non-closing of Gitmo and the Federal raids on marijuana dispensaries in California which he had promised to stop.

    Since Jun 2010 • 327 posts Report Reply

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