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  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Like.

    it works the other way too:

    Once you take the ’silence’
    out of resilience
    all that’s left is ‘ire’

    there will come a tipping point…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    there will come a tipping point…

    Really? 'cause ya know John Key is such a nice man and if our Richie likes him then he must be good.

    I'm sorry to rag on those who vote National, I'm certain there are those who genuinely believe that making the rich richer is ultimately better for the country. There are those for whom the ideology makes so much sense that they cannot believe the bad things that happen are related to National's actions.

    But there is a portion of the voters who look at the rich getting richer and think "that'll be me soon", there is a portion who think that $10 a week will make all the difference. And they are simply too stupid to realise that to pay for that $10 a week the social welfare system, the education system, the health system are being systemically gutted and sold off for scrap.

    There are a few genuine believers, there are a few genuinely good National MPs, but they support a group of corrupt, venal scum who only care about the power they get to wield and if a few more people from Christchurch commit suicide to support that power then they are comfortable with that.

    Yeah some IRE.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4450 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Press editorial doesn't mince words.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    there will come a tipping point…

    There will.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle MacDonald, in reply to Sacha,

    In stark opposition to the Herald today, which supports Health cuts on the efficiency argument...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Kyle MacDonald,

    Roughan being an arse again, I'm guessing?

    Meanwhile, the Herald's radio arm has interviewed a CDHB board member and the Minister (who frankly does not seem to know what his ministry have been up to).

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Kyle MacDonald,

    In stark opposition to the Herald today, which supports Health cuts on the efficiency argument…

    What struck me most about the editorial and the whole efficiency argument is that it make the presumption that health workers would naturally skive off and waste money if they could.

    It's the idea that given the chance they would take their salary and just go home and watch cricket instead of doing their job.

    The thing is, most health workers really wouldn't walk away and let someone suffer in pain or bleed over the pavement, they CARE about the work they do.

    What is abundantly clear is that the folks in parliament and the plonker who wrote the editorial can't conceive of anyone doing their job without having a big stick waved over them. Which leads me to the conclusion that far from targeting health workers we should be targeting Herald opinion writers and politicians because they clearly would skive off home to watch cricket.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4450 posts Report Reply

  • bob daktari, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    that and the always promoted line that private enterprise is always more efficient and cost effective than public

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 537 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    The Herald editorial is here if anyone wants to read it. And it's a truly pissweak effort at editorial-writing.

    This paragraph:

    The point, economists will say, is to put public hospitals under the sort of financial discipline that works in the private sector. The so-called "required savings" should really be called a return on operating capital. In theory, managers of a public service should not need that obligation in order to ensure their operations are not wasting money.

    But in real life, human nature does need this sort of demand. We tend not to worry about waste and inefficiencies unless we have to find savings.

    Could we get a citation up in here? If "economists will say" that, could we perhaps name one who does say that? And if we're declaring what happens "in real life", might it be an idea to note a real-life example?

    It really is the most awful example of faux reasoning. It tries to invoke evidence without the bother of actually canvassing any evidence.

    And it concludes thus:

    Labour's health spokeswoman, Annette King, says boards are taking the easiest option by not filling vacancies. She is probably right.

    It is easier to make do with fewer people than to negotiate more efficient rosters to make maximum use of equipment or maintain a culture in which all professional staff are accountable for the resources they use.

    But these are the sort of disciplines that perhaps can extract better value for the taxpayers' outlay. It has to come from the top where the demand will never be popular.

    It all seems so easy when you put it that way, doesn't it? The author might have, you know, done some work on how DHBs actually do manage resources. He might have told us something. Instead it looks like nothing so much as someone carrying water for Jonathan Coleman.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22747 posts Report Reply

  • Moz,

    can extract better value for the taxpayers' outlay. It has to come from the top where the demand will never be popular.

    I wholeheartedly agree with that. We should start at the top, by demanding that the prime minister produce 10% more prime ministering on 10% less money, every year. And ditto for all the other skivers and slackers in parliament. I'm sure that if we cut the parliamentary services budget 10% nothing bad would happen. We could also sell off that extremely valuable site in central Wellington and promote regionalisation at the same time by relocating it to some much cheaper offices in somewhere like Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1193 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle MacDonald, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Couldn't agree more. I worked in the public system for about 12 years and the only waste I saw was the endless restructures, and name changes, forced on us by central government.

    Fundamentally this government seems to consider all public servants as lazy and docile, and that crunching everyone to do more for less won't effect outcomes.

    Fact is everyone I know who works in health, education and welfare is already doing a lot with next to nothing. (And in some cases nothing).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Moz,

    I wholeheartedly agree with that. We should start at the top, by demanding that the prime minister produce 10% more prime ministering on 10% less money, every year.

    I believe you've got to the nub of it, Moz.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22747 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    I'd be happy for a cost neutral solution that involved 100% less prime ministering, tbh.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

  • LeighKennaway, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    What is abundantly clear is that the folks in parliament and the plonker who wrote the editorial can’t conceive of anyone doing their job without having a big stick waved over them. Which leads me to the conclusion that far from targeting health workers we should be targeting Herald opinion writers and politicians because they clearly would skive off home to watch cricket.

    I really do with they would - my blood pressure would improve markedly. Good health outcome right there!!

    Lower Hutt • Since Feb 2016 • 9 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Kyle MacDonald,

    everyone I know who works in health, education and welfare is already doing a lot with next to nothing

    for love of fellow humans.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It really is the most awful example of faux reasoning.

    Roughan for sure, then

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe,

    CDHB member and former Ecan councillor Jo Kane yesterday broke the board members' silence on the machete being taken to mental health - and the rest of the health sector - and what it means for the Canterbury health system.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/health/exclusive-funding-shortfall-will-cut-chch-mental-health-services-cdhb-member-says/

    Health Minster Jonathon Coleman responds
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings/audio/dr-jonathan-coleman-17-feb/

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Hebe,

    Health Minster Jonathon Coleman responds

    Rearranging the deckchairs...Are we on a sinking ship?

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    We need to talk about Cbristchurch.

    If you’d asked me a fortnight ago what the mood of Christchurch folk was, asked for a precis of our psychological landscape I would have said that we were doing okay. That we were finally moving on from our quake traumas, at least those of us not in the seemingly unending embrace of an unresolved claim (EQC will tell you that most are now resolved and it’s only the most complicated claims that remain open but everyone knows someone who is in this situation). These people excepted though, my sense was that we were doing pretty well.

    And I would have been dead wrong.

    Read the rest, Moata lays it out so well.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Stephen Judd,

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    We need to talk about Cbristchurch.

    Noon Today!!
    (Sunday 21st Feb)

    Give Chchch a fair shake!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

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