"The Terrorism Files"
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oops "its hard not to" (ie live with yr head up yr arse).
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I love it Johnno: you're playing the I-know-something-you-don't-know-so-you-should-believe-me card, which has been played ad nauseum for the last month -- yet, despite all the leaks, my general view hasn't changed an iota (and, unlike most fools, blindjackdog is not incapable of self-correction).
Why don't you convince me Johnno? Come on out and leak something. Everyone's doing it.
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Yea. 200 rounds. 18 people. 11 each. It's like there's a war on, only it's 1432, no one showed up, and those who did bought along sporting weapons, hung out, and talked shit. OK, it wasn't like a war at all.
What it was almost like was those other countries, where people who dissent in public get spied on, and charged with sedition or terrorism, all based on some pretty bogus evidence of somewhat obnoxious but perfectly legal behaviour.
Just as well that doesn't happen here. We have a right to protest, you see. We have freedom of association, freedom of movement, and freedom of speech. We have a right to privacy. We don't spy on dissidents, we don't lock them up and tell everyone they're dangerous terrorists, we don't pass laws to increase the powers of police and spies around the same time this happens, like it coincidently happens in all those other countries. We're not like that at all.
Who, those guys? They're dangerous terrorists, trust us, we've been spying on them for ages.
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I also feel a deep sense of betrayal caused by the deliberate and repeated actions of some whose hubris has distracted attention away from the real issues we need to be addressing. What were they thinking?
If only we had some sort of ... of ... Thought Police?
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I don't think yr average copper and the vast majority of them are any more inherently fascist than yr average nurse or teacher (probably less so than yr average teacher)
Officious men in walk shorts made my life in primary school pretty annoying too, but I think that's rather too broad a definition of fascism. :)
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What it was almost like was those other countries... We're not like that at all.
Tussock, the road to Hell, I believe, is paved not with good intentions, but cognitive dissonance and you've just given a nice potted summary of how it works.
Now, if you leak a few cherry-picked quotes taken out of context to smear everyone, stir with some demands that everyone publically dissociate themselves from the insinuated sins unless they be collectively tarred with the terrorist brush (is that a show trial by media or an auto da fe?) and then... you'd have a horribly mixed metaphor. Sorry.
There was an editorial in that well-known supporter of terrorism, The Economist a while back arguing forcefully civil liberties, the right to fair trials, the right to dissent and all that liberal stuff were all the more important and the risk of carnage (remember, The Economist is based in London and they made explicit references to the Blitz and the IRA and tube bombings) had to be borne because the alternative was both worse and its promise of safety an illusion.
It worries me greatly how damned easy it is to go running down the above mixed metaphor lane. At the risk of raising the spectre of Godwin, unfortunately authoritarian governments have all too often been populist and popular. It would drive me to drink if I didn't live there already.
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Danielle - don't trash the walk short.
I'm trying to bring them back (not the socks with sandals though).
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If only we had some sort of ... of ... Thought Police?
Yeah... like those thought protesters in Queen st yesterday.Designer sandals,gags and sun glasses. No balaclavas, camo gear here.Wondered if that was what anonymous donations for the national party looked like." Freedom of speech" ..... I feel another tui coming along.
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Not only does the devil have the best tunes, it seems that he has the best credit cards and labels as well. Hmmm, I'm on a rather diabolical theme this morning.
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... which kinda ties in to a point I made this morning in Radiation Kracklite ...
Are we now living in a world where we are 'doped up' to keep happy? We get just enough of 'the good shit' to be content and not cause problems ...... we don't care because we've got our mobile phones, our Plasma TV's, and ... girls on horseback eating burgers.
BTW - was I the only one to spot Leighton Smith on the TV news footage of that march?
FWIW - if anyone wants to protest march then all power to them. Dismissing them as 'middleclass' is a s silly as dismissing others as 'Rent-A-Demo'. As with any march, we can choose to join in or not join. (Or stand on the sidelines pointing and laughing).
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*Sigh* Driven by a sort of morbid curiosity, I skimmed (I had to - it's sink or skim) Kerre Woodham's column on the Hikoi in the Herald.
Is Woodham in competition with Coddington to be New Zealand's answer to Ann Coulter? This, only slightly paraphrased is what she had to say:
"irrelevant... professional protestors... disaffected losers... minority... we should send in dieticians, dentists and physiotherapists instead of police... the media shouldn't report on these people..."
And of course it was written as if on behalf of the public and relayed what her friends had said (with whom she bravely remonstrated of course) and it was all really a very obvious show of that great, wise sock puppet that all bigots bring out - "It might not be nice to hear this, but that's what eveyone's thinking."
That and Tom Scott's caricatures of pug-nosed microcephalics...
OK, I think that some radicals are potentially dangerous - if apparently inept - but there's something much, much uglier crawling out from under some damp stones.
Oh, and IO, it goes back to Juvenal: panem et circensesent - bread and circuses. He's the fellow who gave us that absolutely essential question: quis custodiet ipsos custodes. There's no need to translate that, is there?
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merc,
I saw at the end of the TV3 footage of the Hikoi an old white haired Pakeha fella giving the young Maori boys the fingers. Great restraint they had, no-one even said a thing to the old git.
Hi Sofie, we went to school together. -
hello, ahhh school. Those truly were the daze...
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merc,
Yup, I had a good time, I have vivid memories of a party we went to. I have gone off thread, Danyl will get angry...I'm glad to read you here. Honestly, I saw your Dad the other day...
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How is dad? Must ask him sometime.... I have been reading here a rather long time, but this discussion has prompted me to join in however, I wont bore others with....
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"Dismissing them as 'middleclass' is a s silly as dismissing others as 'Rent-A-Demo'"
I/O that struck me. My thoughts were it reflected the presenters (are there Journos out there anymore) POV.
I did notice the footwear of that guy from sensible sentencing and it certainly wasn't matching let alone designer stuff.
It can't be nice but this guy was a threat - a nutbar but not a threat.
"A 39-year-old beneficiary is behind bars accused of threatening to kill Prime Minister Helen Clark." -
But further on in the story we see this guy has a history of this sort of thing from no less than the psycs report. A cry for help maybe?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10476782
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The missing word was 'not' as in not a threat
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Whoops my bad
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I just had a thought. You could describe the Urewera lot as "Pistiol Packin' Outlaws"
so could you describe the Queen St. protesters as "Pastel Picking Inlaws"?
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Is Woodham in competition with Coddington to be New Zealand's answer to Ann Coulter?
Has either of them called anyone on the Left a __faggott__??
... actually I heard Willie Jackson dismiss someone as a poofter on Radio Live on Friday afternoon. Gave me quite a shock ...
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The 39 year old isn't the same person as the previous threat. Miessen was an ex undercover drug squad cop. He's apparently had a few drug problems due to his undercover work. Interesting how his psychiatrist narked him of.
Interesting how they are still turning cops into drug addicts. They could just pay informants.A win win situation for everyone.Cop ... clean, and maybe thoughtful.
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So now it's pastel picking Pinkos? or is that pistol pacing pinkos and pastel picking errr.... furgeddit
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heh heh
and for anyone who still needs an excuse to stay indoors, chained to their computer, even tho' it's sunny outside...
who can make an anagram out of :
Tuhoe Tama Terrorist
An internet programme came up with:
a a em riot trust other
But I'm sure PAS readers can do better. Winner will recieve a date with Russell brown. Or his wife. Your choice (cos you'll be paying).
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Has either of them called anyone on the Left a faggott??
Come to think of it, it's Rosemary McLeod and Karl DuFresne are the columnists who have trouble with gays.
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Well, if we want to play around with software generated phrases, look no further than the Elizabethan Curse Generator and the Surrealist Compliment Generator.
"The sisters of St. Cathode ask that you cover yourself with filaments and take pains to make yourself fully incandescent this evening."
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