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but Robbery you seem to keep missing the bit where the commenters who are appalled at Veitch's lack of sincere remorse point that out (showing they do believe in redemption).
no I'm reading that, but i think veitch is the least interesting part of the incident. he's a sports reader who had his statement written for him by lawyers and a crusty old media man. his actual words are irrelevant in a way. its not like he's actually saying any of them, they appear to be scripted.
That they are scripted is an interesting bit, and we're not going to get to see how sorry he is until all of that stops, which is why I don't dwell on it, and won't until that dust has settled. he's still a talking head at this stage.
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Until we hear him clearly acknowledge that he harmed her, it's all just smoke.
that's one good point
I'm happy to leave it to a court process (agree with you on that now that we know there may be one), but there is well-funded deliberate spin going on in the meantime.
that's 2 good points,
Said many times upthread so not going to repeat the detail, but denial is common for perpetrators of family violence,
so what are you saying here, I'm hurting people in my family? I'm violent? I participate in family violence? my loving partner and siblings will be interested to hear that.
so please don't go acting all surprised when people react to hearing the same arguments out of your mouth.
well its not just me, and I've forwarded lots of different arguments, none of which have vindicated veitch. I think that's the point WH made. We can take it as read that violence in society is not something anyone wants, if only for the selfish reason that we don't want it turned on us.
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Not OK means Not OK. You're the one who isn't getting that.
It's kind of like the unpatriotic argument though. if you're american you can discuss issues of american politics without being unpatriotic but that doesn't stop people from throwing a "you hate america" into a discussion in an attempt to divert it. I've said many many comments to the effect of its not ok, clearly stating my position and even why (personal experience) , but that doesn't stop someone calling heretic every time I or anyone else discuss a point varying from the "veitch is monster" angle. if we accept that as read then you can discuss the whole celebrity, media, news, sources, truth, manipulation angles, wider implications of violence in nz, how we like to pigeon hole issues, let of steam and forget them etc. if not then you can stick to repetition as mentioned by WH.
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Even if it is true, it doesn't make the assault any less horrible.
who said anything about less horrible, I said spicy.
also see WH post above yours. you can't see my original post cos apparently i said something controversial although I was merely commenting on a legitimate newspaper article from our favourite unnamed sauce (source) which inferred what I said, unlike the P habit comments which I'm pretty sure I haven't seen unnamed source mention. -
ah, the start of the 51st page is 1000. crawford, you sneak, sofie, hand over the medal, the man won it unfair and square
personally 981 ain't a bad number, -
and enough people committing the effort needed to keep a conversation going.
I was thinking bored people with nothing better to do than talk about the crimes of famous people but i like the sound of yours better.
You know, the issue that has most touched the PA nerve
hmm, I recall a chunk of this being about estrogen fueled marriage, not exactly on topic,
me, I like the number 1000, I secretly wanted that honor but I bow to sofie's greater stay power
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an unnamed source told me it was 1001 at the top of this page. I just counted a few pages at random, They've all got 20 posts per page.
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isn't it 20 a page? and we're on pg 50?
if not, complete mis calculation, I'm not sure I can fabricate interest and comment for another17 posts.
unless veitch tops himself, now that'd make some more comments wouldn't it, or complete silence, could go either way. -
congratulations sofie, you turned 1001.
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so where did the $100000 figure come from. are there multiple unnamed sources? (7)