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I thought it was $150000
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13 and counting
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I’m struggling to work out the relevance of viewing the stairs. What next?
if you follow the thread it relates to this story from the herald which quotes an unnamed source as saying Veitch threw Dunne-Powell down the stairs and left her there for about 6 hours.
My comment was in regard to the vagueness of what the Herald passes off as news, what we as the public are willing to accept as fact (it may or may not be fact but how would we know) and trial by media which is apparently ok until an actual trial by court occurs.
Russell thought I was having a go at him for posting the article link, I wasn't. this is the same herald that printed the holmes interview. surely we're on the same page in our dislike of that paper.
There are now 3 detectives on Veitch's case. That should have been the case a year ago when Dunne-Powell first approached the police, when she mentioned wheel chair, back injuries and 'I was attacked" in the same sentence.
It should have been the case when hospital staff treated Dunne-Powell for her injuries and asked her how it happened.that a sports reader beat and injured his then partner is an important thing to be outraged about, but crap journalism, continued failings in our health and police systems, the wide spread nature of domestic violence and our inclination to marginalise it as what other people do to other people, and the general media manipulation of this whole thing should also concern the public, points that I felt were worth mentioning before some people made attempts to turn my words into an attempt to apologise for domestic violence, which they clearly are not and have not been.
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Let this Long National Nightmare of Needling Russell end! Pleasepleaseplease...
I was addressing his point, I've replied, I said I haven't been at odds with what he's said on here, I've given him respect for what he's achieved,
and there is respect there for you from me for your achievements.
drop it and go back to the more serious discussion at hand, violence in NZ.
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The story you were quibbling over is on page 1.
not quibbling, I'm asking to see the material you're referring to.
I want to see the original sources rather than some paraphrases.you've mostly been hair-splitting and trying to dream up alternative explanations;
no. I've been steering away from offering any alternative explanations cos I have no way of knowing anything about the situation that went on there. My so called "alternative explanations" have been alien abduction transgender. i was being ridiculous to illustrate a point.
The idea that the Herald would run a story saying the victim had been thrown down stairs at the house without knowing if there were even stairs at the house is bizarre.
did I say there weren't any stairs in his house? no, i asked if anyone knew if there were stairs there cos I was miffed by a story from unnamed source being reported as news before it had been verified by anyone, not because as you seem to imply I'm cheering for veitch, but cos I think news reporting in nz and the modern day is seriously lacking.Police reports, court documents, medical reports, these are respectable sources of information.
I've mentioned it before but I'm not a fan of self appointed authorities setting themselves up and holding court and jill did touch on a very valid point which you did have to shut her down on quickly, because it does challenge you and the media empire that is RB inc. people on here do seek your approval and treat you like the king of the empire, and when you tell them off they comply apologetically (see earlier in this thread), as opposed to other PA contributors like Graham Reid etc all who treat their columns and resulting discussion like a living room conversation.
PA is great because you as a self appointed news and views person can say something and theoretically I can challenge that directly to the person that made the statement and it other people can read that challenge and your response and make their minds up for themselves. I've said some honest and heartfelt things on PA and some people have 'got' and appreciated the alternative viewpoint. That's cool by me, I can take the resulting heat, although I'll admit its not easy to speak your mind in public.
No, it would be more like not making some stupid implication that I'm lying.
I'm not implying your lying, I didn't imply you're lying. lying implies intent to mislead, I was asking for a friggin' link or source as I hadn't come across the information you were quoting. you're normally pretty good at that sort of thing in other posts, here you didn't introduce material till well into the discussion and then act like we're all idiots for not being privy to it.
And, sure enough, there's a large picture of Veitch bounding up the hard (and fairly steep-looking) stairs of the St Heliers house on page 3 of Saturday's NZ Herald
you say that like its clever but it comes across as childish (something that I'm not above myself, sometimes). I wanted to consider the new development that he threw kirsten down the stairs (for the reasons outlined above re unnamed sources) and all you had to do was include a link or source to your statement that there had been a picture. But you'd rather make it into some point scoring exercise so you can prove that anyone who disagrees with you (and I don't think I have been disagreeing with you in this thread, just past ones) has no merit, as I would probably do if I was trying to set myself up as some voice of authority angling for paid employment in such a field (media 7 etc).
I get where you're coming from russell, I just don't think its the only way of archiving what you're after as demonstrated by some of your PA co-inhabitants.
No hard feelings etc and there is respect there for you from me for your achievements. I hope you're noting I'm making attempts to discuss quietly and rationally, (in real life I like to swear a lot more, take the piss constantly etc, I've really tried to reign that in).If you really think I've got no valid point to make go ahead and ban the ip address. i'm sure my partner and my work would appreciate me spending less time writing to "someone who is wrong on the internet" as per the cartoon you posted a while back which im sure many of us laughed at but winced at as well.
Funnily enough (as in not funny at all) I've had some serious personal experiences with violence as victim and victim supporter. Aside from the odd attempted beating from complete strangers a girl friend was abducted and raped and I got to stand face to face with the perpetrator in court. He looked like any member of the public you might see at an up market bar, he didn't have pointy horns or anything. I've seen violence in my surrounding family and have friends who have dealt with DV. I know the victims and I know the people who did it. Yes I have a few thoughts on the issue, it seems many shades of grey to me, I'm sorry if that clashes with other peoples views on it.
I'm not going to comment on the veitch thing any more, but I am available to answer cheap shots and digs, and to correct unfair or misrepresenting statements about myself or what I've said.
(eg the mafia style comment referred to a mafia style assault perpetrated by a loved one, ie both domestic and cruel calculated and merciless, not an either or thing)
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Mainly it sounds like the usual lines trotted out by those trying to defend men who have been violent against women
I'm still reading and though I'm past commenting I couldn't let that one past. how dare you say that about me, you know absolutely nothing about my experience with victims of abuse and violence.
There's been a bit of it around me just like there is in many kiwis lives, I've tried to make that point while others have tried to say "not me, not around me, doesn't happen".
I admire courage of the guys in the not ok campaign who stand up and say I was that creep, and its not ok, and I'm going to do something about it. I've had friends abused by partners and surprisingly their partners where not faceless monsters who I could easily exile.my comments have never been a defense for anyone, they're a criticism of the holier than though sanctimonious self righteous vein that runs through some of the comments on here by these self appointed judges that are our talk back radio country.
we could do a lot better.
i'd say fuck you but I've learned how to let it slide,
if you don't care what others think anyway.
I do care what others think, I just learn to weed the masturbatory posts from the insightful ones, take on board the good (sofie, simon, mercier, jill etc) and ignore the creeps.
russells just pissed I don't earn him any money from advertising cos I've got ad blocker set to max and I don't think the sun shines out his arse. he's got valid views and he's got an interesting concept in PA, but I'm not going to kiss his just cos of that.
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I'm happy to take Russell's word for it.
but that would be nothing to do with the position of perceived power jill mentioned earlier?
anyone would think it was a crime to check detail and strive to be well informed. I wish I had the trust and respect you have for authority figures.ok, think its time I left you to it. 41 pages and a lot of it isn't mine. guess there are some issues that people are thinking about that aren't held in the original post or in press releases and un named source reports.
I'll keep my eyes peeled for music and media related topics though. There's no way I'm going to let misguided statements go unchallenged, should anyone make them of course.
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They've been in photographs.
links?
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could you at least get the woman's name right.
fair point,
Kristin Dunne-Powell
people with double barrel names are just greedy.
I was lazy and spelling the one I could remember. I apologise.
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but I think Dyan is right about your style of argument.
thanks for the critique russell but the person I was disagreeing with (andrew) and I came to an agreement all by ourselves.
It's annoying, but ultimately irrelevant to the topic being discussed.
so is wedding dresses and tits on news readers but I didn't hear you jumping in there either. irrelevant to you is relevant to someone else.
as far as your critique on my performance in the music thread goes since I have no idea who you are until I learn more about your involvement and knowledge on it I'll just assume you didn't understand what I was saying, mostly I was debating with simon, who's experience knowledge and expertise I respect, and that goes two ways, (we do know each other outside of here, we have the same job for almost the same amount of time).as far as this thread has gone I've stayed on topic and avoided the temptation to take the piss the oh so many times it has come up.
I'm not constructing an argument, i'm participating in a discussion and I have not at any time in this thread felt my points (or 'arguments' as you put it) has been overlooked, quite the opposite, I think a few people have made good points off my comments so I'm not trying to derail anything.
now regarding the topic being discussed if you could just outline exactly what that is and give us guidelines on appropriate ways to discuss it I'm sure I can try and fit better into your plan for living.
said with a smile, it's the internet, its not like I'm really bothered or offended by your comments. friends?