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Nope because for every first hand account of some band who people don't want to see
don't be an old bugger simon. these are bands doing well by todays standards. the 2 russell mentioned above for starters .
and the situation is similar throughout the country with the notable exception of wellington who had a pretty good live scene with realistic cover charges being charged and got. This may have changed recently but it was going well last time i looked.
cassette number 9 in ak with its massive turnout most nights pays bands $400 for a headline act and considerably less for artists further down the bill.
if that's picking up cash in lieu of recording sales then its not quite as rosy as painted is it.
your tours through the country of bands on similar levels were creaming it in comparison. -
I'm also old enough to recall a similar panic over sampling on hip-hop records. That was sorted out.
you're kidding right?
its a bloody unpleasant minefield of potential lawsuits.
it has settled down a bit and its nice to see people recording their own loops rather that go through the rigmarole of clearing samples. -
Acts that excite people make money. Acts that don't excite people rarely do.
These are well attended gigs at a venue that has existed for over 20 years.
I'm saying that on the local scene its gone backwards for income.
bands I was in 15 years ago were charging and getting twice what the average band feels they can charge now, and that's adirect result of eroded respect for the value of music. its got nothing to do with the cost of making it, its got to do with what people feel they need to pay for it.
The same is going to happen to movies and then books.
I don't see you getting that, yet.some people think that the only way that will change is through education and enforcement. apparently you're not one of them, along with a few others in this discussion.
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Acts that excite people make money. Acts that don't excite people rarely do.
These are well attended gigs at a venue that has existed for over 20 years.
I'm saying that on the local scene its gone backwards for income.
bands I was in 15 years ago were charging and getting twice what the average band feels they can charge now, and that's adirect result of eroded respect for the value of music. its got nothing to do with the cost of making it, its got to do with what people feel they need to pay for it.
The same is going to happen to movies and then books.
I don't see you getting that, yet.some people thing that the only way that will change is through education and enforcement. apparently you're not one of them, along with a few others in this discussion.
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Time to work towards the future rather than wondering why the past doesn't work anymore.
who's wondering, I have a pretty clear idea myself, as for working towards the future,
two things,you put your money where your mouth is and go first.
I'm seeing a lot of talking but not much walking.and something long the lines of fools rush in,
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and not as a grainy DV shot from a TV.
drama queen.
have you ever done telesync. I have, I used to have to dub films to vhs for screenings in lecture theatres. they weren't grainy they were as shitty as the original film and the medium of vhs.
Mr Stowell's also done it recently too and said the results were quite good.but hey, lets not take either of our words, lets go with yours.
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I think the part of the sentence you left out was the important bit
I think the part I left in was the most important part, but why are you turning the convo round to plagiarism. I think that is the least of the music of film industries worries and a part of that is adequately dealt with in a court of law if you care to take it there.
guess it fills the pages till pg 101
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and since those are the terms you seem comfortable
I was trying to make you feel comfortable mate, I wasn't born till the beatles had already clicked up a few hits.
I'm decidedly uncomfortable talking in terms of the major exceptions in the music world.
if you want to make me feel more comfortable you could talk in terms of the people outside of the top 10% -
doing brilliantly well?
why don't you ask them?
I have.
they're making nothing from their endeavors and they're relying on their rich parents to fund them. allegedly one of the original band members was kicked out cos his parents weren't rich enough to cover his travel expenses to tour overseas.one word, unsustainable.
as for L.E.D's, yes indeed 2 good albums, (I particularly like the track Slow from the new album). all self funded and recorded. They have to choose the gigs they can break even on, and it never goes beyond that for them. They'll also have to think long and hard about their next album as they try and pay off the one they've just done. if you want to know how a band is really doing you have to ask the right questions.
everyone wants to put the face of success on their projects cos nothing breeds success like... well success, -
Oh wait..old musos in Chch can't get a crowd.
who's talking about old musos?
most of these people are under 20.
you got to get out more simon :)Once again you make the argument that these people from the 70s/ 80s are owed a living..bullshit. Why?
once again you've read into my words something I didn't say. I don't think they're owed a living, but that fact that them or anyone new will struggle to break even because of ever relaxing attitudes to paying for what you consume means that they won't get to go on and make their abbey road or revolver, they'll be stopped short at please please me or with the beatles if you're luck (to put it in peak artist terms that you'll understand).
that's got nothing to do with old muso's from the 80's. Its to do with a sustainable longevity. Some of my favourite albums are 4-5 down the track. that said my fav album of all time is the second one a bunch of old fucks from the 80's did when they were young and not making hits.