Posts by Che Tibby
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to Sacha,
i think work is also essential, and everyone must work (and i mean that as an imperative), even if that work is “sitting and having a wee think about things”.
to not work is unnatural, and frequently exploitative – absolute monarchy, anyone?
EDIT: actually... you could argue that monarchy is a job. and a pretty cushy one at that.
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to giovanni tiso,
I’ve had more than one post-retirement age teacher who should have known when to quit.
sure. doesn't mean they need become "useless" though. grumpy old teachers must be able to do something useful.
scare preschoolers perhaps?
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to John Armstrong,
I genuinely admire your contributions around here Gio, but I think you miss the mark on this occasion. There is no such thing as mindless work, and to claim otherwise in an insult to the people who do it.
+1
i found people of great beauty around me while up to my elbows in filth during a 15 hour shift in a kitchen, and endless ugliness on the top floor of a building working with people in the top tax bracket.
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to giovanni tiso,
why the hell would you want to be better at data entering, or serving burgers?
both jobs i've done. in essence, they were no different to being a researcher.
but lets not get all up in ur face and buddhist about it.
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to giovanni tiso,
You also said that "if people can still work, they damn well should."
and i stand by that.
i think we're starting from different premises. mine is that reaching 65 does not mean a person must leave the workforce <- a common attitude in places i've worked. people then leave because they feel compelled to by their workmates. i have this perhaps strange village mentality where i actually want older people out active and working in my community.
i'm assuming you think i mean that we work these old fkcers until they're broken?
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to giovanni tiso,
So you are saying – again – that people should work until they are incapacitated.
what? i’m saying nothing of the sort. i’m saying that old age pension was brought in to cater for the incapacitated. but many draw that pension whether incapacitated or not.
go back to my previous, real world example. these were people who were not incapacitated, but had retired because they chose to. they then returned to work for their own reasons.
reasons like work providing a social outlet, or work being good for the mental stimulation required to offset risk of dementia.
plus, it’s work like standing around providing advice. not working a salt mine.
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to Danielle,
We did bring in old age pensions for a reason.
and at the time life expectancy was substantially lower, health-care almost non-existent. many people these days retire out of choice, not incapacity.
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Hard News: Is that it?, in reply to BenWilson,
He's a highly skilled employee, quite probably draws a lot of customers with his knowledge and attitude alone. He should be, in a fair society, paid well for that.
there's a lot of assumptions in there about their position. perhaps they own their own home freehold? perhaps they have national super and are just topping up to cover contingencies?
we recently did a series of focus groups in Northland. one group was employed >55yo individuals in 'wealthy' households. *all* of them had retired, were living in their own homes, but were interested to keep themselves occupied so had gone back to work.
they were also doing jobs that youth couldn't do, but had a low income associated with it. they just happened to be at the far end of the bell-curve of earnings.
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Hard News: When the Weather is the News, in reply to giovanni tiso,
don't be like that gio, i'm just getting with the spirit of the current govt. you know if you get too cold you can come round to ours.
best bring your dish-washing gloves
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Hard News: When the Weather is the News, in reply to giovanni tiso,
think of it as "redistribution".