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But being Ampex tapes from that era no-one seems keen to risk playing them.
bake at 50 degrees C for about 8 hours. gets you a few plays.
interesting that people like Cope were hanging around.
wonder why he thought a studio would be a good place to hang out on his nz holiday? too bad it wasn't someone from magazine, that could have been helpful, but all in all not a bad record. -
wow, that's a pretty amazing opportunity for someone though.
probably turn the reverb down on the huge gated snare sound and it wouldn't have sounded half bad.
did anyone keep a copy. I'd like to hear his 'vision' of the blams.
wonder who the other band was.
dare I bring up the name we dare not speak (auckland walk).? (shiver)I guess thats the problem with some producers. rather than take a bands sound and work to bing out the best in it, they re make the band in their own image. Not a mismatch made in heaven then, but it could have been a great thing. the guy did seminal cars and devo albums but tends to lean on the side of brash rock,
I wonder why he interpreted the blams so off from their personal view of themselves?were the boys a little bit shy in coming forward with what they wanted?
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hey simon, can we have some more background on the blams / queen producer gig?
did he come out here, how much did he charge and how far did he get before you scrapped it?
how do you tell a guy like that you don't like his work?
how'd the connection come about, did someone know someone?
why the queen producer for the blams? did you guys want that sort of sound?(writers note, no sarcasm was included in this post, strictly interested in the event)
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I know we are all about getting everyone involved here, but even by PAS standards this thread is intimidating to the common folk.
I was actually interested in getting kyle's view on things, from the non involved average kiwi thing, but it was not to be.
Its hard to get an outside perspective when you're in the middle. kinda like how kiwis think aussies care about the kiwi ausie battle (they on't even think about it), or that the rest of the world is waiting for our music (they're not, they too obsessed with their own).But at the same time, can't we have a little fun?
absofuckinglutely please, its like no one can take a friggin' joke (at their expense)
How po-faced and dignified a response do you expect after you've ended a post with a (seemingly backhanded) comment about group hugs?
again, all in the reading, I was being pleasant, honest, I didn't put a smilie on the end of it cos I thought it might come across as .... something else.
I'm all for a little piss taking please,
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Why not? I think you've both arrived somewhere really special over the last twenty-one pages...
sam sam sam sam,
i'm taking it your comment was a sarcastic one, I'm sure hoping so cos there's not nearly enough of it in the world.
20 pretty reasonable pages of interesting and indepth debate and you focus on the melodrama side line off 2 clashing egos.that about sums up the media and the media eating public who only want the hype.
I think I'll bait someone, not now, in a few days. got something better to do with my life but soon I'll be bored.
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Oh, don't be so pompous.
I wasn't. try not to read it as such?
its a legitimate distinction. I didn't say ego boosting site, which would have been pompus, I said fan site, the best term I could find to describe a site supporting an entity.but you do have a way of pissing people off that doesn't aid your cause
:), I hadn't noticed.
from my position I wonder if brendan would have addressed this forum if I hadn't pushed, or if you would have stated you position as per dubmuggas question. there is a trend to use the say nothing approach to make things go away in the modern world, I'm experimenting on how to push past that, sometimes unsuccessfully, sometimes, results. at least I'm prepared to speak up and state a position. got to give me credit for that. many many people keep quiet on this issue because they're scared it will hurt them, me, I don't rally care.
But compare the respect Brendan showed you there with what you've repeatedly said about him in this thread.
It was an accurate representation of feelings on my part, and I didn't try to hide them. it came from brendan and his team's last few interactions with me when we were on good terms and his subsequent actions and I think it was deserved. His last discussion on this site indicated a change in attitude and I give brendan due respect for that as you may notice in my subsequent posts. I'm still not a fan but I'm not calling for his blood either. He showed himself to be an intelligent debater, he acknowledged due points in his opponents case, while making his own.
now if he'd address the rest of the issues maybe we'd get somewhere. I don't think he's the man for the job though, although finding the right replacement person isn't always as easy as biffing the last guy. My current position is persons not person.lots of people say things I disagree with.
I'd like to see more of you listening and acknowledging.
Rob, I actually really respect the work you do with music, I'd like to help what you do,
thanks, nice to hear, and I've given you kudos for your media commentary and internet, is this where we group hug?
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I've sort of given up on that.
well don't. I've given you kudos for a few things on here and am happy to do so, give credit where credits due. I've not seen one acknowledgment of my experience, or potential insight into issues.
I've been dealing with grant systems for over 25 years, I've done a lot of work in exactly the area that nz on air's mission statement says its targeted at, I deal on a daily basis with musicians who are left out of the system, but are valid contributors to our culture, more so than some of the recipients although history will prove that I guess.
Why would you be so dismissive of opinion that came from that background? others in the industry aren't. Even brendan isn'tfrom brendan pg 19
Who's the band, Rob ... ? I would genuinely like to know because, despite our philosophical differences, I am interested in what knowledgeable people in the industry consider to be "one of the best bands (they've) seen in 10 years".
Why would you think you have more insight and knowledge from your background or at least the knowledge to dismiss my input?
I just don't accept the need to personalise it and demonise people the way you do.
I think I addressed those issues after brendan undemonised himself by entering into debate, and undid a lot of my resentment toward him for avoiding it, and good for him. I still disagree with the way the system has been run and you also feel it has failed so we're not exactly on opposite sides of the fence.
Post debate with brendan (and I hope he will address a few more issues and not just leave it at that) I don't even hink the man is without merit, I just think the vision reeds refocusing on its original intent and that the process be around a consensus which includes the music community it serves, ie not the apparent vision of one person, and I'll keep that view until I see it proved otherwise.
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I always liked that Beatles' tune "Please Please Me". It was Lennon trying to sound like Roy Orbison, a guy from the southern USA.
but the beatles weren't going for funding from a govt organisation set up to promote indigenous culture and identity as stated clearly in their mission statement.
Nothing wrong with a bit of the overseas influences but part of the issue was us being comfortable with our own accent.I don't think scribe is the worst offender but it is an issue.
we're not the only country that has this issue either. My friends in germany say there's a movement for german language music, because the push is to sing in english to conform to commercial radio trends.
As part of reclaiming their national identity a first step is to reclaim their language, or in our case our accent. -
Your problem is that you believe that.
my problem is that I suspect that, your problem is you say things like the above and expect me to treat you with respect.
do you really think I'm that stupid, that I haven't given any thought to this. I'm asking for clarification, I'm asking these questions cos thats the way it looks and people have said things in private that make it look that way.
if you don't want me to criticise you (ie say things about you you don't like and will see as insults) then try to refrain from thinking you're all knowing and everyone else has no right to have a different opinion or train of thought, cos thats the way it comes across sometimes.
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and for those that critisie local sound, we have some pretty good sound engineers here, problem is most bands don't make enough money on a gig to pay someone that will do their sound justice. I don't charge much more than your average pizza delivery guy gets paid for a nights work and thats still too much for some. there's always some student home expert willing to do it for less. very few bands rate quality over losing money, and who can blame them.