Posts by Steve Barnes
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Kyle Matthews,
I’d feel slightly less sickened. Thanks.
Yeah well, I am really sorry that it made you feel a bit ikky. Perhaps you would like to be called a victim too.
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Joe Wylie,
as if personal moral codes are some kind of arbitrary nicety?
I wish that weren't so, I wish that there were a set of moral codes that worked, that crossed the boundaries of religion and politics but there are not and the codes we have are constantly changing. That was my point.
Graham Caphill had morals, or so he told us. -
Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Craig Ranapia,
Yeah, Steve, because whatever you’d say about John Key and Mitt Romney they’re exactly like a sexual predator
No, more like the kind of people that send your kids off to kill a non-trivial number of women and children in other countries for their natural resources.
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Lilith __,
The “ritual satanic abuse” alleged in the Civic Creche case did not happen: it was invented.
Er, yes, by members of Society in knee-jerk panic mode fearing association with such evil doings to the point of believing such bizarre accounts from children. Why else do you imagine people would pursue such outrageous claims?
What nobody could credit about Savile was that he wasn’t joking.
Not really a question of crediting him with anything, more a case of denying what was going on and by doing so, condoning.
Another effect of this "moral panic" was the impeachment of Bill Clinton, what was once accepted as part of the trappings of power, the wooing of maidens, was used as a means of denigrating a person who would otherwise be considered "a Good guy", as was Savile in his time. My point is that the changes in societal mores can cause people to make judgements based on current standards in historical cases to distance themselves from the wrongdoing and in doing so magnify the perceived guilt.I have not come to these conclusions easily but the attitudes of the "Witch Finder Generals" and their hypocrisy make me angry.
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Lilith __,
Yes but the prosecutions are both coming from Society distancing itself from its past by placing blame on individuals. Savile would not accept that he abused children, in fact he leaped to the defence of Garry Glitter, Paul Gadd, claiming that no harm was done to anybody because Gadd had done nothing in public.
The part of the Documentary that spooked me the most was the clip from Savile's "Clunk Click" show (based around his seatbelt campaigning) where Savile escorts Gadd to sit with the young girls in the audience and "gives" him two girls "I get two?" Gadd says with glee, the programme ends with the viewer in no doubt something "naughty" was about to happen but of course nothing "Bad"
We see these images now and think "why did nobody stop them?"
It is because that was then and now is now and people like to pretend that the past is a foreign country and they are the purveyors of all things good.
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Russell Brown,
There are, for fuck’s sake, actual broadcast TV pictures of Savile feeling up young girls.
Exactly, and nobody batted an eyelid. Now the public consciousness is going to scapegoat Savile the same way Christchurch scapegoated Ellis. The apparent reasons for the persecutions are different but it is all part of Societal change creating knee-jerk reactions, the Christchurch case stemming from cases built on historic cases of "Recovered memory", "False Memory Syndrome" or "Repressed Memory".
After 125 years of discarded enlightenment, we still act as if
victims are freaks and as if it is a virtue to be ignorant of sexual victimization.”People may have always accepted the possibility that sexual abuse can occur, but it remains debatable that people accept the reality that it actually does occur; especially the prevalence with which it occurs.
Let us say that a person’s friend or family member is a victim of sexual abuse. Would this change his look-the-other-way mentality towards the crime? This question remains debatable today just as it did prior to three decades ago. In fact, during the first seven decades of the 20th century, little was written about sexual abuse. Scholars did not consider rape and sexual abuse topics worth writing about.When writings were produced, they were filled with skepticism and fear, and downplayed the seriousness of the issue.
Before 1975, articles pertaining to rape and sexual abuse focused largely on the fear of fabricated allegations. Even as far back as Sir Matthew Hale, who served as Chief Justice of the Court of King’s Bench in England for several years a couple centuries ago, and who did not appear to have undue skepticism of women alleging rape wrote, “It must be remembered, that rape is an accusation easily to be made and hard to be proved, and harder to be defended by the party accused, though never so innocent.”
I light of the change in attitude it is inevitable that some people who considered themselves to be very proper in all respects were indulging in or just indulging, behaviour which would later prove to be abhorrent to Society as a whole, they should be considered victims also. We must also remember in this particular case that Savile is dead and that the real reason for the prosecution in this case is so that all the "Good" people can, once again deny knowledge or worse,involvement.
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Would that lead to a rolling maul?
"of Jobs and Growth initiatives." that is.But anyhoo.
I just watched Exposure - The other side of Jimmy Savile and couldn't help but think of the Christchurch Crèche case. Whilst, undoubtedly, Jimmy Savile was an unsavoury character by today's standards he was feted in his time and I wonder how many of his "victims" went on to valuable careers in the entertainment industry which seemed to find no wrong in the man.
Retrospect can twist judgement, especially with regard to Social mores, which is why we frown on retrospective laws.
I can see this becoming a witch hunt.
Men of that age who persist in having long blond hair are not alone in having more enthusiasm than talent it seems.
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Joe Wylie,
That’s got to be good for a ‘knock knock’ joke.
How do you Knock on a Bouncy Castle?.
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to Ian Dalziel,
white noise…
The Hissing of Summer Lawns.
We don't need no stinkin' information
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Hard News: Media3: Whistleblower Season, in reply to David Hood,
insider narrative vs. big data narrative.
Typical of any Right Wing Party, the Big Lie technique employed by these manipulators of public opinion.
John Key's dismissive denigration of his opponents is just another form of the self important bully boy tactics employed by other thuggish tyrants.
Makes Jimmy Saville look positively angelic.