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But I also agree with Brendan, Radio is not going to go away, as long as we have cars and factories.
damn it simon you beat me to the exact same though. can we have an ak/chch fight over this? :)
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but you'll have to take my word for it that that doesn't have an impact on my view.
does your personal relationship with brendan smyth have an impact?
And although I don't agree with the logicality of some of dubmuggas arguments I'll back him on the putting you on the spot question.
Do you think Brendan Smyth is the man for these times?
simple question, a simple answer will suffice.
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And Russell, you cut Brendan off as he was saying something about commercial radio audiences being up something like 12 percent. he didn't get a chance to tell us over what time period etc.
You interjected with you slightly self serving point that internet people are the new taste makers, and in nz thats certainly the case, because we are so poorly served by local radio as far as our own voice in music is concerned. I'd be interested to know more details on brendans radio relevance point and I'd also be interested in what the case regarding radio is in other markets that are better catered for. ie is xfm still a relevant force in the UK. does college radio still wield a hefty sword in america. Just cos we're so poorly served here and NZ on Air has failed to do any real good as far as getting our voice on air (what was that list again sam) doesn't mean that radio is a waste of time. Its just broken. fix it. people still drive cars with radios, and work in shops and factory floors with radios.
and if radio is a waste of time should we divert that money away and use it more effectively, and if we do decide that this time I suggest we give someone else a go at being the holder of the purse strings. can we agree on that?
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and russell, the wingefest comment. did you actually have a real source for that and if so why'd you let him off the hook.?
why did you not pull out the piece of paper that proved it?you had a very interesting point re nz on airs unwillingness to accept criticism of their current course.
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From 1991-99, the funding you're talking about didn't exist.
what funding do you think I'm talking about?
The one I'm talking bout is the one that channeled government funding to a wide range of artists. at the point it was video funding. you obviously misunderstood me or tried to second guess me. no problem, I forgive you.What do you think the Hit Discs, the radio pluggers, etc, did? I'm no fan of commercial music radio, but I think it's evident that its attitude has improved a lot in the past decade.
why they're a tool to provide music choices to the radio programmers Russell. what do you think they are? They're not a means to an end their part of the process. the important part being actually getting radio to play the music of NZ.
My understanding is in 98-99 music programmers were bought into the decision making process, of recording grants, music videos and hit discs, thus guiding the whole process toward their pre determined image. You don't get onto hit disc unless you're going to get played on commercial radio and you won't get played on commercial radio unless you fit the format, and you get on a hit disc unless you.... etc.
see how nice and tidy it all is.
Now I can understand Commercial radios slant on things, they're out for themselves, but NZ on Air, who supposedly work for us, how'd they get themselves into the impotent state they are, what a predominantly sad waste of money (with notable exceptions of course). -
have never meshed with NZOA's target audience
This is one of the biggest misunderstandings involving this issue.
You are nz on airs target audience. we all are. Commercial radio is the delivery medium. NZ on Air serves us, all of us, not just a few narrowminded programmers for the most out of touch media in the country. Why do people keep accepting the situation as it is?NZ on air has failed its client. I wish the friends of smyth society would stop soft peddling that one fact which you all seem to agree on in a behind the hand whisper kinda way.
Obviously my concern here is about the promotion of creativity and diversity of product
NZ on Air was set up to deal with issues relating to national identity and culture. simple as that. our voice our people, you may remember a multitude of one liner catch phrases along similar lines.
It was never intended to be a slush fund for commercial radio.smyth initiated the 'lets get the programmers on side by making them the gate keepers" tactic, and it was an interesting bit of lateral thinking, but it failed, it didn't work. There are no more pheonix foundations, and to steal someone else's list Phelps and Munro, Cassette, David Kilgour, SJD, Dimmer, Conan Moccasin....on the radio than there was years ago.
selective funding by parties with priorities other than the Nations health and well being may well have had massively far reaching effects. Music plays a huge part in culture
I've often wondered about the rise of street gangs in ak and the bogan boy racing culture in chch. Nothing happens in a Vacuum.
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My impression of how NZ on conducts itself reinforces my belief that NZ on Air is still one of the best things that ever happened to NZ music and still is.
which doesn't negate that a lot of people think it could do its job a whole lot better. just because its better than nothing, doesn't make it without flaw.
I think grey made an important distinction on the show when he said nz on air of recent. remember in the first few years of funding nz on air hadn't given the funding control over to radio programmers and did fund a much greater range of nz artists. yes some of that stuff didn't get a lot of air play but that would be the second and most important part of nz on airs job, to get radio and tv to play this stuff. That was the crucial part of the whole endeavor. change radio not change us. -
The guy is pretty on to it
so if the guy is pretty on to it, he knows what he's doing, and apparently he's failing at his job because
there is a serious lack of nz music on radio.
NZONAIR is not causing any problems for the NZ music industry. Its helping some people, its not helping others...
He's not causing any problems?? (which in the bigger picture I disagree with) but he's not solving any either, as is his job, a job he's been hogging the control of for many many years. perhaps he should give someone else a go. maybe they can change commercial radios attitude to nz music.
your first 3 videos unfunded? and your most played video too???. How's that work? one of our creatively most respected and very kiwi bands isn't a high priority ?
fair enough though, maybe one of the reid brothers needed the money more.I get your help yourself comment, as most nz bands have been doing for as long as I can remember. That still doesn't address the issue that our government on behalf of our culture put aside a slice of money to be used to support people exactly like you.
It was an excellent point raised by Russellon media 7 that the size of the grant has remained the same for years (non inflation adjusted in the slightest) and that it is still a very very small amount of money that is pissing off so many people, but as Duncan importantly pointed out maybe that's why it's so important that it be spent wisely, because there is so little, otherwise its just rubbing salt in an already festering wound.
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I really don't think he works that way,
I'm certain it works that way.
you'll remember the extensive thread on NZradio yahoo forum where this issue was discussed at length way back in 2001/2002.Brendan was on that list and had the opportunity to discuss that exact point in a civilised fashion. he said on your show he was totally open to free discussion and debate. Brendan gave his side step spiel and removed himself from the list. Its the discussion group for all things radio FFS. Programmers radio personal and thinking people interested in radio are all on that list. I think it speaks volumes about brendan's attitude to listening that he would remove himself from the list.
He keeps saying he's in the broadcast industry like it absolves him from the consequences of his corporations funding, but he's in the broadcasting wing of a cultural establishment. nz on air is in the business of broadcasting nz culture full stop. its their job to change radio to play us, not change us to fit in with radio. NZ culture is the client, not Commercial Radio. NZ on Air is in the service of NZ, not a force unto itself.
I know Brendan is friends with a lot of media commentator types but the fact that he's a nice guy and has old friendships with you all shouldn't cloud your assessment of his recent decisions and policies.
It was insanity to give Radio Programmers the reins to the funding decisions. The very same people that had kept NZ music off our airwaves for years previously have now helped reshape NZ music in their image. How the hell are they going to fix .
I have no problem with the man on a personal level but I do have massive concerns about what NZ on Air funding has done under his watch. I also question the wisdom of one man being in charge of the music wing of arts funding for so long.
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It seems to me that Gray Bartlett is mostly concerned with the fact that none of the "country" acts are given NZOA funding
he specifically said he wasn't there to discuss nz on air funding. his main point seemed to be that the present system reinforced the traditional disinterest in music that didn't fit commercial radios tiny focus.
Much of our voice our culture falls outside of that focus and it is questionable that we should put funding toward that which diminishes our own cultures self image and strength.