Posts by Che Tibby
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Che, I think we are possibly arguing about the same thing.
shit! are we arguing! i figured that we were just iterating the situation for the benefit of those without our expertise!
you know, feeding the lurkers.
it's kind of the only way i can justify using this particular pc at this time of day. i'm helping inform the public about important issues.
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clark was a piece of work, but atsic was being gutted by the feds well before geoff took the reins.
it was organisationally sloppy, a bit nepotistic, and had a shitty brand. but if that's the benchmark for closing a public agency there's plenty of those world-wide...
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rl, i agree, there is indigenous tourism. but there is a long way to go before aboriginal people stop being locked out. in cairns they round up anyone aboriginal and drop them a number of km outside town. in this day and age.
otherwise,
If Howie was serious (and we all know he's not) a community based structure with resources to take on the community as a whole is a great start.
imagine that. a structure that reinforced indigenous leadership, and was directed to directly aid aboriginal communities... perhaps we could call it atsic. sigh.
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I don't believe that it's any exaggeration to describe Keith Windschuttle, Howard's favourite historian, as morally equivalent to a holocaust denier.
he is a denier.
his argument is, "i can't find clear evidence of said massacres, therefore they never happened. those aborigines must have died of the vapours".
this ignores things like the black line, and the black "war"
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yes. true. all good efforts to indoctrinate need some decent spats. and perhaps jodhpurs.
definitely a riding crop is in order, wot.
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As for alternative solutions, one that springs to mind is looking at what works in functional indigenous Australian communities (they do exist).
hmmm.. can we ride into town with one of those alterative solutions and have the media get it on film?
does it have a snappy uniform? i think not.
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To be fair, people all over the world make a dollar by controlling and charging access to their holy places.
true. but, it doesn't cost anything to visit uluru. the local people have some kind of nominal traditional ownership, but it's mostly ceremonial.
there's also a big sign at the base of the rock that says,"this place is sacred, please don't climb it".
thousands take a picture of the sign, then climb the rock.
as for $$. i'm pretty sure there's no aboriginal money invested in yulara, or any of the tourist ventures surrounding the rock. i did see one aboriginal guide though.
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Also, Aboriginal people do not all look the way New Zealanders might expect them to look - many are relatively fair-skinned as a result of European or other ancestry, but still identify strongly as Aboriginal.
this was pretty much my experience. i travelled a lot throughout victoria doing interviews with aboriginal people. many of them were as pale as me.
and i'm not interesting in any pissing contest on treatment of indigenous people by respective colonists. many parts of australian history are a complete disgrace. but for the grace of god (tm) it could just as well have happened here.
one word. raupatu.
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apologies. victorian aboriginal population in 2001 was ~28k. here
and richard, there is nothing to trust about howard.
the man has no integrity whatsoever. the litany of lies leading up to several elections is proof of that.
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Belich notes that this lack of interest in the marvels of Western superiority is a trait for which Aboriginals 'have never been forgiven.'
he's not the only one. a guy called m.f. christie wrote a history of aboriginal - colonist interaction in the 1800s (victoria was colonised from 1835 onwards).
he speaks about missionaries being dismayed at the lack of interest in christianity and indentured labour. aboriginal people just didn't dig it.
consequently the missionaries got harder and harder on the aboriginals who weren't massacred by posses of whites, eventually controlling every single aspect of aboriginal people's lives.
and that includes who they married, where they lived, what they wore, what they ate, how they worked.
ben, that's where your aboriginal people went in victoria. there's still about 40,000 (?) living there, but hardly any in melbourne. you need to go up into the country to find them.