Posts by Simon Grigg
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what are you, like 12 in the school yard or something. you going to sit on my chest and force me to eat grass or something?
since when did discussing a subject become making excuses?When you said no-one came to gigs because the value of music has been devalued. No one comes to the gigs because nobody wants to see you. Doesn't mean you are no good but you don't excite people enough to get them to come. Anything else is excuses.
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are we going to analyze your musical output? didn't you play bass in a band somewhere last century?
Lotsa people played bass in bands last century Rob, I wasn't one of them. You ever been in a band? Had any records anyone has wanted to buy?
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I'm full of shit. you're bringing in fact and figures from the rest of the world on an nz centric website and saying everything is rosey and going forward. fine, believe that if you want.
I will..Smashproof is playing to full houses on the back of an indie smash, nationwide. P Money always plays to full houses, there are a raft of young indie acts in Ak who pull regular good crowds and break even...they often hire a hall or rent a room and do well..sometimes not. It's the game. I bet they don't make excuses and blame devaluation of the music when they don't.
Live venues have always been risky ventures..few survive because few acts have always been able to pull the crowds. Which is why most of the live venues in NZ eventually go bust or their owners pull the plug.
didn't see a lot of it in oamaru myself,
I guess, then Rob, it may have passed you by
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and your point. didn't you just read me saying their parents are funding their career. not emusic downloads.
So sweet FA has changed..but at least they have a shot rather than blaming everyone else when nobody is interested.
You are getting bitter there Rob, and you can't even back your bitterness with data.
Thing is, in this NZ Music month, NZ music is in the healthiest state it's ever been in. More acts are making more music and making more impact globally than ever before. They find a way, they don't just moan and make excuses which is what I'm reading from you. Bands like ones mentioned on this thread are making a noise and getting noticed, the world has not collapsed around them because they have no desire to be 'average'. It doesn't matter if they get funding from their parents, church group or whoever, they do it.
Nobody is coming to our gigs because music has been devalued is just pathetic.
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and he used the word vibrant too. so can I take it you're in agreement with that sweeping statement.
I'd argue that the biggest selling musical genre of the past thirty or so years (check Billboard and Soundscan if you want) and perhaps the dominant youth musical style in NZ may have some vibrancy about it.
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see I told you this was going to be hard. I so wanted to do a one line take down but its not going to be that easy.
And yet all you did was underline just how out of touch you seem to be. You tell me to get out sometimes? I think that's probably better directed back at you. Lots has happened in the past decade or three but large swathes of it seem to have either missed you completely. You don't have to like it or understand it, which I know you don't, but you have to be woefully in denial not to think it's one of the most important musical genres of all time.
Unless the past three decades don't count I guess..maybe they don't if you're an 'average band' wondering why you can't pull a crowd and tossing around blame.
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These are well attended gigs at a venue that has existed for over 20 years.
I'm saying that on the local scene its gone backwards for income.Once again excuses Rob..so what. Other people seem to be thriving. you are not. And you are tossing blame around. Just because you don't connect anymore or the scene you are in (and I'm not trying to say you don't put your all in, I know you do) are the guys who've missed out, which is what you seem to be saying, don't blame others. It's never been about 'average bands' or even just above 'average' bands, it's about acts like Smashproof or others that stand above the noise. I really don't give a toss what the 'average' band got or gets..that's just another excuse for nobody wants to hear my music
eroded respect for the value of music.
Once again, data please, because all the data worldwide says pretty much the opposite. Unit sales of music are up. Otherwise it's still just excuses for nobody likes our music and we can't pull a crowd.
you're kidding right?
No, he's absolutely right.
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they'll be stopped short at please please me or with the beatles if you're luck
and since those are the terms you seem comforatble with maybe reflect on the fact that for every Beatles or Rolling Stones there were 3000+ Freddie and The Dreamers.
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means that they won't get to go on and make their abbey road or revolver, they'll be stopped short at please please me or with the beatles if you're luck (to put it in peak artist terms that you'll understand)
And yet there are thousands of acts out there onto their 5th or 6th albums and surviving well.
i'm kinda over people making excuses because that's all I'm reading.
Ah yes -- they're on Awesome Feeling III. Which is a, er, free download ...
There was some great stuff on that collection. no? Not bad for a dying industry.