Posts by Che Tibby
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No, seriously. Atatürk actively suppressed Islam
bro... i hate to be a stickler, but that's what secularisation means. e.g. actively suppressing christian prayers in schools, and letting girls wear short skirts.
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Turkey is probably the most liberal and tolerant of muslim-majority countries, courtesy of Kemal Atatürk actively suppressing Islam.
pretty loaded language there juha.
what he did was secularise/western the state. islam was the subject, not the motivation.
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you turn every Muslim into your potential enemy. This is neither just nor smart. And paradoxically, it is just what people like Osama Ben Laden would like you to do. I think that is the insanity Che is referring to.
that's exactly it. islam has a lot of flaws, none of which are exclusive to islam. so while a clear thinker like juha might be able to distinguish between the big fuzzy concept of 'da muzlims' and violent activitists within the culture, there's plenty of ordinary people who can't.
msm commentators who conflate the two are doing a grave disservice to all of us, because they are fueling a civilisational conflict and playing into the hands of the extremists.
thus far, "the osama's wish list".
1. usa out of saudi? check.
2. secular regime in iraq overturned? check.
3. usa bogged down and bankrupting self in war in afghanistan? iraq you say? close enough... check.
4. civilisational conflict that will galvanise the ummah islam? soon, very soon. -
danyl, i'm sticking to my guns on this one. what james has listed is a bunch of things he thinks indicate that islam is the problem. i'm stating that he hasn't considered the issue, he's heard some neocon talking points, and is verifying them with media reports.
so. let's ask a critical question. when did we start talking about "islamic terrorism" and "the fundamental issue with islam" as the issue in world politics?
it was after 2001.
some variants of islam are illiberal and are aggressive. but to tar and entire world religion as some kind of fundamental threat to humanity is simply insane.
i'm not apologising for any terrorists or extremists. i'm just not buying any propaganda posed by hawks actively shifting blame from their own stupidity.
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How many Hindu, Buddhist or Christian suicide bombers have there been over time? Not too many
heard of the tamil tigers?
what about the kamikaze?
now, the IRA weren't suicide bombers, but they terrorised britain for decades.
james, if you are ever called a bigot, it is because your language encourages people to do so.
otherwise, all the bits of information you've strung together in the pretence of an argument are just that, "bits of information". it is neither a compelling narrative of islamic extremism, or a realistic one. you are cherry picking googled information to justify your neocon distaste for islam.
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[che takes out small book and writes]
"note: terrance wood, extremist".
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neololiberalism
great word. neologism + neoliberalism.
neoliberalism is after all new version of a perfectly good philosophy.
otherwise, the whole food metaphor didn't get past me going [homeresque] "rhubard.... gaaaaaa"
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hmmmm.... might have to have that prescribed and issued.
i'm petrified i'd accidentally ingest a cherry-picked set of paragraphs from adam smith and develop on onset of extreme conservatism... a fate worst than death.
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everywhere....
it's making me increasingly paranoid...
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ha-hah!!
a post on the de-liberalisation of frightened countries.