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I reckon that qualifies most of us to get our 10c worth in about music and the music 'biz'.
sure, why not. but go for 20 cents. the 2 cent rule was made when there was a unit below it, ie 1 cent. now the smallest unit is 10, so have the unit above that.
Simply asserting greater experience in a field is not a winning debate - (at least I hope not:)
absolutely not, debate winning is about conveying your message accurately and failing that, shouting the loudest.
I would venture that experience and the ability to apply that knowledge intelligently should rate the highest, but debating is about talking, -
And your example of Neil Finn as "Rebelling against the establishment" is laughable.
Then brave, or stupid. Its not many people who make make potentially career altering comments on the record like that.
He also puts his money where his mouth is in his support of local artists through use of his studio. How ever much you may dismiss his musical talent (a view not shared by many notable musicians who rate him as one of the best songwriters around) you have to give him credit for his integrity, not that I'm forcing you to. -
This is scare-mongering gibberish...snip..The idea that the police would get involved and you'd get a criminal record because you didn't send in two copies of a CD you produced - some people really need to get out more.
its in the law, why have it there if it was never intended to be called into use. Maybe you're right, I'd hope so, but can you not see the offense in having it there in the first place?
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but I should make clear that I had nothing whatsoever to do with the National Library Act
apologies, misunderstood you point, noted. ignore comment relating to that.
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Any modern democracy's most important act of support for creators isn't direct funding, but the establishment and protection of copyrights. The fact that society might require a couple of copies of new works for its libraries of record, by way of reciprocation, seems reasonable to me.
copyright is just that, a right. Why should it be conditional on reciprocation. You don't get protected by other laws based on reciprocation. You have the right to have your property protected. That's civilisation.
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I called him an arsehole on the radio
:) kettle me pot, black, but still really funny. good on you russell. glad you can see the benefits of heated debate. did he find out it was you in the end?
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Then what are they interested in, a cultural record? If they just want that then they should pay for it out of their own money and charge admission or something to defray expenses.
pay for it out of "our" own money its tax money, ours. its the responsibility of the country if it wants to maintain a record of works, not the responsibility of those stupid enough to make creative works.
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"idiot", being told my work was "shit"
apologies
you are not an idiot,
I took issue with comments you made which came across as dismissive( which I read as silly) of a valid perspective from people affected.
Its very interesting that your fervent defense comes from the position of someone who was involved in the policy I was calling into question. I didn't know you were involved in that. Kinda like complaining to the cops bout what a bad job the police do.I think maintaining an archive of our cultural heritage is massively important, I just don't think it's my job to fund it. The wants of the masses funded by the pockets of the few. I think it should be the other way round, but then, its not the policy makers money this concerns is it. It's interesting the one other descenting voice in this discussion came from the only other person actually directly affected. A writer.
Your work is not shit. I was specific on my issues with it.
you are very good at 'your work' but if you're going to dismiss my opinion or anyone else's then you set yourself up as a person in a glasshouse.
I do feel in musical issues you present the popularist line, including policy making issues. I've noticed more and more you choose to represent the establishment in your views, which is why I non combatively in my question to the other jackie clark (my post 61) raised that issue, not that its something that would be easy to discuss or have perspective on. You are the establishment now Russell, you are that which the disaffected youth rebel against, possibly if they could pull themselves away from their playstations. its an interesting point and a side issue, but there are not many people I can think of that have made the transition from outsider to top rung, integrity intact. Chris Knox and Mike Chunn stand out as shining examples though. Love them, love their work.Your children and autism and your work on it is something I deeply admire, and a sensitive issue I should have avoided, and if that came across as an an attack in any way it wasn't. It was merely an example of a recent issue close to you heart where you took issue with other authorities in a field. I tried to state that clearly, but I guess you'd already come out in a combative fashion with the wingeing comment so I should have left you to it and realised there was no discussion going on here. My apologies for bringing it up in a crappy discussion of silly music. They are not comparable.
As for my constructive suggestions, I thought I'd made them clearly.
Take the money spent on producing the 34 page booklet, the lawyers fees, the staff wages policing and harassing labels and artists, go down to real groovy, and put a standing order for 2 of everything kiwi that comes across the counter.
Ask all other artists with music works (and I'm still only talking about music because it is the field I know, specifically music budgets specifically music issues, although merc has enlightened us to the writers point of view which I sympathise with) if they would like to donate. DON'T make a law that sets them up as potential criminals. Can you not see the offense in that strategy?As for NZ on Air. Fix it or take it down.
I understand Brendan Smyth is a personal friend of yours and that makes it difficult to be critical of him if you even want to, and even worse from my perspective it leads you to create support for the present trajectory through your lack of criticism of a truly flawed strategy, although you have conceded that there are issues which I note and appreciate.
The discussion on this in the Neil Finn vs Helen Clark post was pretty pretty strong in the opposition from some very well informed people. You shouldn't dismiss those views.As a music fan, musician, label, and in the past a stupidly patriotic cultural supportist, I want the issue fixed if its not too late, not so I can get money (that's never been my contention and I take offense at the constant inference), but so that what little govt funding there is goes to do a better job with the quality of art and culture that we both love, not this haphazard destructive system we now have. I'm a music fan above all else which is something we should share.
I am so over being polite and patient about this issue, which was something I pursued for a good few years with the standard amount of ass kissing, until I got my first rude email from Mr Smyth.
Being polite and patient is what allowed commercial radio to walk all over the good intentions of the original policy makers. Being nice is what see hit discs full of misses (as you've noted) and funding that should be supporting our voice our culture diverted to nothing to do with us, at the order of the same people that were the problem in the first place. How long is being nice supposed to run before it turns into annoyance. 5 years? 10 years? 25?
It saddens me continually learn the stories of the music heroes of our youth who are either bitter and never want to go near music again, (depriving us of their gift, but who could blame them), or those that still believe they have something to offer, hit writers who still make stunning music struggling on the dole in dunedin, sending in applications, still getting ignored. (not being specific cos they'd loath the attention and have too much humility to speak up as rudely as I have to complain, but I hope you know the person or people I'm referring to). You note Bill Direen has never complained to your ears, but I bet the thought crossed his mind once or twice. His drive and his selfless persistence for his art are truly admirable, but that doesn't mean we as a society should take him for granted.As for offending, you paint me as the sole protagonist here but I ask you to note that my comments come directly from your initial dismissive and rude comment. Not that that's any excuse for getting worked up, I should know better and occasionally I do, but then again, its all in how you read it I guess. I wasn't writing my points as rudely as you read them, and that's the negative of the written word in internet forums, intent doesn't always easily come across. maybe you weren't being the jerk I read you as with the cringe comment, maybe it was a rough day and a hasty comment, I was over it a little after I hit send on my reply.
As for friends, I'm not trying to make friends or enemies with you Russell. I've met you a few times, you're not objectionable, you're highly opinionated, and a little of what you accuse me of, which is fine.
I'm trying to get some points across, and I have taken on board what you have said, and you're lucky to have the benefit of public forum to make yours all the more loudly.
I've said many times in this rather crappy debate that I respect your work in your area of expertise, and explained my hesitation at giving you full kudos on some areas of 'expertise', I even devalued my position by putting it down to personal taste.
You have however not once acknowledged any such validity in me, so I guess I'd have to question your friend making motives here too, I take it your not trying to make friends with me either.But in a 'discussion' we don't have to be friends or enemies, merely debate the issues, question perspective and keep it at a distance.
Anyway, none of this is going to change anything, all you can do it speak you mind honestly, earnestly and hope some people take it the right way, it seems a 50/50 bet doesn't it, maybe a little less.
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actually..... you're right,
I made it all up,
boy did I have you guys going,
hahaha,
no hard feelings,
if any of it was close to the truth it was just a lucky guess,Talent free, prob a bly
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russell knows who I am.