Posts by Russell Brown
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Sorry Russell, I felt bad after posting that and I appreciate your comments. I suppose I'd had a stressout day and I was surprised you read your comments because you aren't normally like that from what I've read. But if you meant them as a friend to Tze and by way of moderation then who am I to say. She's a big girl and she probably knows where you were coming from. It's surprising how much more involved with the conversation you get when you comment instead of just observe!
No worries. We talked about it. Funny old day. Glad you came back.
Anyway, what I popped back in to say is that outiside the political sphere there are quite a few good local girlblogs. I like Hannah at Let's Walk Slowly:
It's a rock 'n' roll blog, with about a million photos to load on it at the moment. But she's clever, and her review of Peaches at the BDO was awesome.
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__I'm a bit sad about where this thread has ended up, but it's not too late to yank it back is it?__
Here's a little (not unrelated, but deeply funny and bizarre) light relief
Heh. And the funny thing is, I was just thinking about Cactus Kate and Lucyna, two local female bloggers who unsurprisingly aren't on Tze Ming's recommended list.
Any of the women reading here read either of them? Thoughts?
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I nearly ran away from here because of d4j's polemics. And I don't much like some of the stuff on this thread, which I'm carefully not reading.
Yeah, I guess I'm a wimp or a coward or something.If it's the time I'm thinking of, I was watching D4J pretty closely, being aware of his style on less civilised forums, and had a word and suggested he come back when he wasn't so angry (if he'd actually been abusive to another poster I'd probably just have yanked him), as did a couple of other people. It was like talking to the drunk at a party. He grumbled about lack of conflict (a bad thing, apparently) and we haven't seen much of him since.
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I urge you to read the blog post I linked to , which is getting more pertinent with every post.
Good post. And jeez, what a mammoth (and occasionally pretty weird) comments thread.
But unless I've got it wrong and should just STFU (nb: should there be any doubt, this is a flippant aside whose relevance will be evident to anyone who reads that thread), the parts about real-life safety put me in mind of something that happened years ago.
I was walking down Ponsonby Rd late at night, before it was open late at night, or very well lit, and a woman came out of a side street just behind me. Acting on the not-being-a-potential-threat principle, I picked up my stride to put some distance between us. But I didn't seem to be making any ground on her. Indeed, her footfalls seemed to be quickening.
I'd just got into a really brisk stride when she called out.
"Excuse me!" she said. "Could I walk with you? I'd feel safer ..."
Oh.
I explained to her what I'd been thinking, we both laughed, and we walked safely up the road to her street and bid each other good evening.
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All right.
Mustering whatever mana I have here, I think it's time to declare this part of the discussion closed, because it only seems likely to repeat itself. Either carry on with the main topic or post in another thread, thanks.
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Yes, this thread has grown into something out of proportion to Tze Ming's throwaway comment. But hey, how often do us white middle-class males get to call for some Political Correctness to demarginalise us? ;)
Yes, that occurred to me too ...
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Russell I would have thought that if you couldn’t manage loyalty to other contributors you might at least but out. I have a lot of respect for your journalism but your judgement in some your comments on this thread is way off.
I'm really sorry you feel that way, but I commented because I thought the discussion was getting a bit untoward - I do that occasionally. Perhaps that was counterproductive in this case, but Tze Ming's my friend, and I thought I could take her up on the tone of her response.
The course of this conversation has really proved Tze's points regarding the disproportionate amount of shit thrown at female commentators, especially if they aren’t also white and dare to challenge white men. I doubt she would feel particularly vindicated or pleased though. I only hope she does continue to make more submissions. I doubt I will.
Woah. I think "throwing shit" is taking it a bit far. These are sensitive topics, and people have feelings about them, personal feelings included. I think they've largely been expressed without rancour. I'm happy to "butt out" if that helps, but I don't think the discussion has been entirely unhelpful.
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Yeh but my argument was kinda *for* the whole pop thing and Dylan was just the perfect ammunition for the beardies who wanted to intellectualise popular music, leading to your Lennon & McCartney unpleasantness etc...
It wasn't the musicians, it was the critics. That whole American rock scholar thing has always got on my tits. Always looking for the new Dylan. Plus, they'd hold forth on black music and never mention reggae.
Then we wound up with those ultimate rock scholar bands, The Band and - god save us - Little Feat.
The greatest lyric ever, IMO, is 'A wop bop a loo bop, a wop bam boom'. That said everything you need to know about pop music and after that, we might as well have given up putting words in tunes and just used the voice as an extra instrument. Or skipped 3 decades and gone straight to House. Imagine if 'Voodoo Ray' was released in 1962, immediately making Dylan and The Beatles and everyone else completely redundant. That would've been cool.
Not quite sure I'd go that far, but it did occur to me that it would've been nice if they'd had some house music at the Acid Tests, instead of the Grateful Dead noodling everyone senseless.
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Out of all the jokes made on PA, some of them infinitely more cutting, this one gets all the attention?!
Makes you wonder if there's not some reason for it.
Ahem. People have a right to express offence in civil terms. You have a right to believe they're overdoing it. But responding with open-ended speculation on their motives, character or secret beliefs isn't helpful.
Pastoral blogsite-owner over and out ...
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In 1997 the closest to PA System was the nz.general usenet group, but I eventually left that because of all the shouting (and some guy ferociously objected to my quoting style).
Everybody leaves Usenet.
I just went and had a look at nz.general - it really wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, although it does seem that the topic generation is in the hands of the loonies: Stuff like "When will NZ stand up to the Muslims like Australia has?"
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