Posts by Yamis
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I suppose that's the way to look at that example. Each fan is a fan of one team and they follow that team each week rather than the entire league.
In Scotland if you aren't a Rangers or Celtic fan you're just trying to come third all season. In the Premier League you're trying to win the title, or get a UEFA Cup spot, or avoid relegation etc.
But yeah, the population of 50 million in the UK kind of keeps that giant beast rolling along. If there were 50 million people in NZ tickets for Super 14 games would probably be as scarce as likeable politicians.
When I was living in Korea I supported a K-League team and one season they had a ridiculous 44 game regular season in a competition with no relegation and not much to play for at the top end either aside from the title (no playoffs) and the crowds dwindled like hell by the middle to latter stages.
It's best to just keep things simple and stable at the end of the day I guess. Despite the drop off in crowd numbers though in NZ they aren't TOO bad given the mood of the nation and the silly competitions that people are forced to watch to get their fix.
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Prior to the Super 12 there would have been 9 weeks of NPC plus 2 weeks of playoffs and about 5 home tests. There was also that Super 6 and Super 10 competition running some of the time though I can't remember it well but for all intents and purposes we had about 16 weekends with shamateur rugby on. Probably why club rugby was so much cooler as well.
Now we get 15 weeks of Super 14, 6 home tests and then about 12 weeks of ANZ Cup. So about the equavalent of 33 weeks of professional rugby on our shores. Throw in the Sevens weekend as well, and Pay TV showing Currie Cup, Heinekin Cup etc, and all the while club rugby is still trucking along in the background and we get exactly that watered down feel for the game. The interest is still there as stated in the original post but the passion has been eroded big time.
We should use the NFL as an example. 16 regular season games over 17 weeks, and 4 weeks of playoffs. That's it. Shows over. Most popular sport in the US for bums on seats per match.
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On the Auckland Museum, they could ease up on the 'donation' thing as well. They actually have a proper ticket counter and in my experience will go out of their way to ask you to pay. Maybe the policy has changed and you MUST pay now but that's news to me. A woman I work with used to work there for years and she says stuff them, she'll never pay. Recently I went with my wife and her friend and they walked through while I was buying tickets for them at the desk and a museum worker sternly asked them if they had their tickets. I'd like to think that it had nothing to do with them being Korean but I'm not so sure.
So they could work on that sort of uneasyness at the point of entry.
Maybe it could be free for NZ residents and tourists pay a small charge like happens overseas damn near everywhere I've been.
After all, I just got my rates bill yesterday and it says "The Auckland War Memorial Museum Levy $21.21".
That should get me 4 free entries per year, or at least I could take a small item of my choice each time I go ;)
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Enjoy Seoul.
I'll be interested to know which musicians you will be talking to. Are they traditional Korean musicians or contemporary stuff?
I have been compiling a cd of Korean Hip Hop for my mate featuring all my favs such as Drunken Tiger, Defconn, Leessang, CB Mass, Masta Wu, Joosuc, and MC Sniper.
I've also been listening to a rock group named PIA in my car for bloody months.
And I have to ask. Have you heard of Seotaiji. My wife has been in love with him and his music for about 15 years. I've seen quite a few of the above live in concert a few times. Good times.
Oh, and I'd like to know what you think of Korean architecture. Looking at a lot of the buildings there I'm not convinced they even have architects! A lot of concrete trucks though.
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One other thing. The NZRU and SRFU DO NOT release crowd figures for games. It's this secret squirrel crap that drives me nuts (no pun intended). In Aussie though they release figures for all games because its so cut throat that they want to track all that stuff to compare Super 14, NRL, A-League and AFL.
If you are lucky a journalist will have asked around at a game in NZ and will include the figure in a match report and sometimes a team will have it floating around somewhere in their official website but their is no policy and has never been one to release figures.
This is basically unprecedented in any professional team sport IN THE WORLD!
I know all this because I have searched high and low for attendance figures for hours on end (sad bastard) compiling whatever I can find. If anybody knows where to find them then help a brotha out!
I can find you the attendance figures for ever NRL game going back 30 years but do you reckon I can find a figure for the Highlanders game v the Sharks a couple of weeks ago?
And that's why I can only be approximate when I say that in 2007 the average crowd in NZ was 18,800 (19 crowds known and 12 not known) and the average this year so far is about 15,600 (21 known and 7 not known). Although several of the crowds are simply rough figures like the "16,000" that went to watch the Crusaders v Sharks match or "7,500" at a recent Highlanders game.
Interesting to compare with South Africa though where they have some hardcase crowd numbers. The Stormers are averaging over 40,000!!!, while the Lions are averaging 7,500.
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It is clear now that critics Henry's resting policy for the downturn in S14 gates was plain wrong.
Not necessarily. At the time everybody was citing that as reasons for not going. There was plenty of anecdotal evidence of people showing up, saying "where's dan carter dear?" and then people dropping off. There were also many of us saying that these policies are bollocks and won't help win the WRC long before it all unfolded that way.
The reason why people are staying away this year is to do with the hangover of depression and anger from last year (make no mistake, it is very, very real), and the early kickoff date certainly did not help.
Funny though, you start the year too early and nobody will go because the weather is too nice and now we have the raining hosing down sideways and people staying away because the weather is too bad.
Where's that stadium with a roof on it with quite possibly no Highlanders team to play in it?
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still only 1/26 of what kiwis forked out for 5 years ago for a losing sailboat.
I can't stand the America's Cup BUT that money was spent as an enormous advertising gimmick for tourism in NZ. They hoped to win so we'd have it here and thus earning us more money but even the failed effort last year was supposed to have been worth it financially.
I just wish we would spend 26 million buying the Kangaroos to play for us in the league next week.
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I need lunch so I can get a dictionary out and learn how to spell quote.
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<qoute>you don't starve to death without them</quote>
You do if you spent all your money on them and have none left for food. ;) -
At the end of the day, CPAG & co are upset that those they see as being most disavantaged are not getting enough. But it is important to remember that this is not what WFF was designed to do.
Exactly A S. Though my memory is shot I'm pretty sure that was the main focus when it came in and it seems to have been reasonably successful if the number of real beneficiaries (ie. sickness and unemployed and professional rugby players) is anything to go by.