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If the legitimate route can be made to appeal, then that's the better mechanism for me.
or if the illegitimate is made very unappealing.
definitely delivery mechanisms need to be fixed. I don't have the time for either. bit torrent can be a lot of work too. -
I'd love to know what the figures for the digitial music sales industry are.
real world example, really really bad. and I've heard that from a lot of other people too. I think some genres do well, like r and b but my personal experience of digital downloads is they pail in comparison to solid media. like 1/25th the sales of standard cds. yes that bad.
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Label for pressing. How much effort needs to be retained here?
in music a labels role is often to make it happen. you may not have noticed but many musicians couldn't tie their own shoelaces, let alone pay for the shoes, although they can write and play pretty tunes.
a label will make a record happen, arrange recording studios, graphic artists photographers, etc etc, get the whole thing done, and then work to see that people who would appreciate the finished product get to hear about it. as much maligned as the label part of it is its bloody hard work, apparently quite thankless sometimes, (ask simon although he's too much of a gentleman to admit it,) and the rewards a a bit ethereal as opposed to a bands reward in the process which is adoration.
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Without the need to shift so much physical product, what are the distributors doing?
distributor relates specifically to physical product.
The digital equivalent is an aggregator, like amplifier.co.nz who present your music to itunes etc and take a good cut for the service.
Itunes won't deal with individuals so you have no choice, like many stores wouldn't stock indie labels.
I guess aggrgators work as half label half distributor although they bear no cost of recording the original work so that's where the parallel ends. -
Who does the music industry seem to be looking to lumber/shaft/burden with that obligation?
music, film, tv, software and game industry. there are a few parties interested in seeing ISP's monitor their traffic.and its not shaft/burden etc, its enforce a law, and it is a law, good, bad or inconvenient, that's how it stands.
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Costs are coming down all the time and setting up an online shop doesn't seem that hard, plenty of people are doing that for themselves, or shopping around for service providers who will look after that part of the process.
yes and no re costs. They're pretty table now and everyone's out for a cut still. want to get it in an online store. many of em charge a flat rate to set up your stuff, regardless of it selling. its a good way to bleed some cash out of hopefuls I guess.
shopping carts are easy but online commerce is a little harder.
I've found it really hard to make a simple click and auto buy system. you can buy the software and pay credit card fees etc but it requires you to have a decent monthly turn over to make it worthwhile as there's a monthly fee on top of the per transaction fee. its not slight either.To me, that $12 says the retailer was bearing most of the risk of not being able to sell the product.
with local content surprisingly not. they would insist on taking it on sale or return so the artist or label took the full brunt of the risk.
they pulled this a lot with bigger labels too, and if you want to sell stuff in a store you have to have a visible presence so you agree to let them have 50 to load up a shelfitsa double egdged sword though cos if you bear the cost then the store has no real incentive to push yours over something they actually paid for up front.
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I could be downloading stuff that is legitimate.
you could be, that's true. but 90 gigs every month is possibly something else. its probably not music though, its film and tv, and a little music, and film and tv have a lot more money and muscle to put pressure down.
I think it would be very hard to determine whether someone is downloading music just from the amount of traffic they generate as a few youtube video watches will amount to the same traffic, but a side benefit of grabbing film and tv piracy is you probably spook a few music downloaders too.
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Perhaps that might have worked yesterday, but today I'm here for the detail.
ok, this is what I think will happen, and I feel I need to say its not what I particularly want to happen as I am presently really enjoying watching the 3rd season of dexter well before it will screen here all without ads which I think are the bane of society. I hate them.
so far we've had a cat an mouse play off with media creators who don't want to be perceived as arseholes and media consumers who want to see what they can get away with.
part of the game plan for free for all media consumers is to play on the 'don't want to be seen as arseholes' media creators cringe reflex. a perfect example of this is the lars from metallica fiasco where the dude simply tired to point out that he wasn't ok with people taking his music for nothing, to which people responded 'rich prick' greed greed greed etc and questioning his right to have the law enforced. so now you weren't in the right if the law says you were it was more to do with public opinion and how that 'made people feel'.so the music industry model collapses as does the film and tv models, and the answe to this is find another model, but there isn't another model cos our whole commercial society is based around the mak things, sell and stop people taking them for free model,
but because a mass of people who are ill informed about the value of what they are taking for free form a mob and force the issue rule of law isn't enough, or maybe it is.so media owners have been treading carefully so as not to get 'lars'd' and being forced into a corner cos it they do nothing they'll go down. mostly they did nothing cos there seemed like nothing they could do. they couldn't get a workable drm and each time they fucked it up people got upset.
they couldn't find media infringers initially cos the technology wasn't there.
but now
they know if you're downloading a lot cos of your data totals at the end of the month.
They know if you're using software typically associated with media infringement ie peer to peer (known cos ISPs can see what program you're using, IE, Firefox etc).
They know what sites you visit.
They will be able to know the content of what your traffic is., if they don't already.
given that it is possible to see who is doing what, the question is how far are they going to get pushed down that road before they say, yep, that's good enough.The issue is also how it is administrated and enforced.
guilty until proven innocent seems pretty crap, its easy enough to prove guilty though. it will mean paying a visit with a warrant to investigate though. I'd prefer a warning kinda deal. There was an article linked further up of a study that said that most people would stop downloading copyright material if asked directly, ie if they got caught and a warning.Will this stop piracy?
its certainly going to make it a lot harder to get away with, if all Internet providers play by the same rules you're basically forced to work by their rules as you are now with traffic shaping already in force on many providers.
people can still visit their friends and share music and media like they always have but it makes it more personal, you actually have to see the person you're sharing with instead of the completely anonymous situation we now have.
will media be less fun?, yes, but it was never going to last as it was anyway.are there better ways of delivering media. hell yeah.
I'd happily pay a couple of bucks for an episode sans ads of my favourite program. If I like 5 programs a week that's $50 a month more or less. that's good income for a media content provider.same with music although I think mp3 is hardly a worthy delivery format for the good money they're asking.
here's some figures for you. (approx for ease)
if you sell a cd in a store for $29. (store keeps $12)
$17 of that goes to the distributor, (distributor keeps $4)
$13 of that goes to the label (label pays for pressing, recording costs promotion administration fronts the cash etc)
after all that there's not much left over. but artists get a few dollars if there's anything left over.The record store takes by far the biggest cut.
so if you cut out the distributor and store you're left with $13 to cover, meaning you could sell an album for roughly $1 a track, or less.
it isn't labels or artists that are taking the biggest whack.
don't really know what that's all got to do with copyright as a concept, more to do with copyright enforcement which there is f all of right now. -
come back to us with the Jayden story.
oh you'll be hearing more from jayden, and his 2 brothers (hayden and shayden), possibly even their cousins shane, dwyane, and another name that rhymes with that lot)
but I got to do work for the next few hours.
till then, you'll have to wait. -
So tell me Rob, how will detection and enforcement work in your thinking?
In before "don't look at me, it's the tech wonks' job to work that out"...
what he said, but I'm thinking secret police, explosives, water boarding (© USA), derogatory comments, and stern eyebrows, failing that probably something along the lines of actually looking for infringement through the most obvious avenues available,
already internet providers can tell
- how much you're downloading in data totals, (90 gig a month probably isn't emails, and most likely not only music, but still)
- what program you're usung ie peer to peer, and filter it out.
- what sites you're visiting (russian mafia pirate sites)
- and only a matter of time to figure out what encoded stuff you're doing.ie they've got almost everything they need right now,
I also wanted to add to my hayden example,Hayden and his brothers are big fans of petrol, and they're upset in they way they're being treated like criminals when they're the guys that support it in the first place (outside of actually buying it)
theey're deeply offended in the way the petrol industry is treating them and they can't see what they're doing wrong. everyone is doing it.