Hard News: How much speech does it take?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
.. that doesn’t seem all that far removed from John Ansell’s hateful and bizarre rants published in the Dompost and elsewhere where he decries the ‘feminisation’ of our menfolk.
It's a fairly common trope amongst that crowd, yes.
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Danielle, in reply to
It’s a fairly common trope amongst that crowd, yes.
It's also a trope for them to be all 'but that's not SEXIST, just DESCRIPTIVE' when called on it. 'It's merely associating everything we consider bad in society with stuff we think women are/do. So that couldn't possibly be sexist!'
Oh wait.
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That reminds me of high school where there were typing classes. They were optional, but all us boys thought the classes were really for girls.
And now look, I can type with the best of em!!
I'm off to knit some nice wooly lingerie.
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Megan Wegan, in reply to
Yes, and where the bloody hell are you? Living in a whole different city to me, that's where.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
That reminds me of high school where there were typing classes. They were optional, but all us boys thought the classes were really for girls.
Typing classes would have been a lot more use to me than bloody woodwork ever was. OTOH, being rubbish at something was probably salutary, little smartarse that I probably was.
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Megan Wegan, in reply to
Breivik’s grudge against society appears to have its roots in the humiliation he felt at being forced to learn to knit at Smestad primary school in Oslo.
Oh, hell yes. EVERY time I offer to teach someone to knit, I am attempting to feminise them. Was that meant to be a secret?
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Megan Wegan, in reply to
Typing classes would have been a lot more use to me than bloody woodwork ever was. OTOH, being rubbish at something was probably salutary, little smartarse that I probably was.
Whereas I got in trouble at school for refusing to participate in sewing classes because they were outdated and reinforcing gender norms. Snotty little 13 year old that I was.
Now, I wish I could sew. Also, type.
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Martin Lindberg, in reply to
EVERY time I offer to teach someone to knit, I am attempting to feminise them.
I only knit manly things.
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James Butler, in reply to
That reminds me of high school where there were typing classes. They were optional, but all us boys thought the classes were really for girls.
Likewise (or it might have been called "Document Management" or something) - same went for cooking and sewing. But I found sewing class at school immensely useful for a summer job I had once, sewing parts for robots. Doesn't get much more stereotypically manly than that. I'm still the only person in my house who knows how to thread a sewing machine.
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Megan Wegan, in reply to
Then at the bottom of this page there's something just for you. (mostly sfw, unless your workplace is really uptight)
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Antifeminism and anti-Islam have a lot of fellow travellers, under the broader heading of general conservatism. NZConservative and the NZCPR forum do a fair bit of both. The former has one poster prematurely declaring the massacre to be one of the benefits of multiculturalism before performing a world record volte face, and I see echoes of Lucia Maria's "OMG they're forcing my boy to play netball" in Breivik's complaint about being taught knitting at school. The latter has a thread on Islamism has a comment as follows: "About time the west lopped a few heads off to show our disgust at thier burning a sacred symbol of our boys sacrifice. Oh sorry its only barbaric, savages who do that sort of thing eh."
Goodness knows what the difference between keyboard pajamahedeen and people who take it into the real world is. I still don't know where the Urewera crowd sit on that spectrum. I hope the inevitable damage Breivik does to his cause will give activist groups of all stripes a bit more of an incentive to keep an eye on members who might take things too far.
The thing (of all things) I find odd is that he listed Caprica among his favourite TV shows on Facebook. I guess anyone contemplating terrorism would be intrigued by its terrorism themes, but I'm boggled how anyone could get out of it that it's a good idea.
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JackElder, in reply to
It’s a debate that’s been going on in the UK for quite a number of years. There is now a government-produced ‘life in the uk’ test that immigrants are supposed to take, but it has been heavily criticised.
One thing that I'm very grateful for is that I managed to get my UK citizenship shortly before all this nonsense came in. At the time, in the early 2000s, the process of getting indefinite leave to remain - and then, eventually, citizenship - consisted of acquiring various legal documents and sending them off with a cheque. Shortly after I became a UK citizen, they introduced American-style "citizenship ceremonies", where people gather at the town hall and swear allegiance to the queen etc. I just got a letter saying "congratulations, you're a citizen now", which struck me as a fundamentally more British way of doing things.
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I took home economics and typing in third form and consider them to have been far more useful to me than sixth form maths (which I, uh, failed). Also, I can still name all the parts of an egg. Albumen FTW!
I only knit manly things.
Rugby ball cosies!
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Paul Rowe, in reply to
I only knit manly things
How did that codpiece pattern turn out?
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We all did cooking, sewing, woodwork and metalwork at intermediate, and in third form, one Computer and Keyboard Skills course kind of integrated the future programmers and secretaries. It's a good way to do things I think.
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Megan Wegan, in reply to
I took home economics and typing in third form and consider them to have been far more useful to me than sixth form maths (which I, uh, failed).
True, I still make the Cheese Muffins from Form 1.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
We have those here, you know. I had to shake hands with the queen and swear allegiance to Dick Hubbard.
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yup. cooking and sewing classes for us at intermediate.
i made a rather fetching denim hat. and can still make a mean cinnamon pinwheel.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
Also, I can still name all the parts of an egg. Albumen FTW
What's that membrane between the shell and the white called?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Goodness knows what the difference between keyboard pajamahedeen and people who take it into the real world is. I still don’t know where the Urewera crowd sit on that spectrum.
Certainly not all at the same point.
But a couple of them worried me: it's hard to dismiss an attempt to buy a grenade launcher. It'll be a worthwhile discussion when evidence finally gets before a court.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I just got a letter saying “congratulations, you’re a citizen now”, which struck me as a fundamentally more British way of doing things.
Indeed. There's no need for any unnecessary fuss and flag-waving, is there?
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nzlemming, in reply to
Unlike like many here I don't believe free speech is a right. I believe it is a privilege earned and maintained by hard work.
I do believe that free speech is a right, but it's balanced by an obligation on the holder to use it responsibly. That's the part that most claimants of their right seem to miss.
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The Standard has all the hallmarks of ‘we ARE struggling together!”.
And women are welcome as long as they're quiet, supportive, and supply the tea and scones.
Two observations.
First: "What do you mean by 'We', white man?" (Scots, I need hardly mention, are not white but pale blue - it takes weeks of tanning to turn us white). The Standard generally enforces a very monolithic view of progressive movements. There's just too much of a tone of "Whadarya?!" for me to be comfortable there.
Two, Danielle, I've seen much worse than the expectation that "the ladies" are there to provide the tea and scones, with the possible promotion to the rank of Mother Courage if they're very, very good.
During the period of the initial extradition process against Julian Assange on rape charges, Prentice himself opened a thread titled... something like "X makes an Arse of the Swedish Justice System" (someone can search, but personally life's too short)... and inevitablly someone showed up vigorously issuing rape apologies of the usual sort: "She initially consented... it's just rough sex..." and so on. Someone did stand up to him, but was directly personally attacked by Prentice on that thread repeatedly while defending the goon. Then someone else chimed in, urging the persecution of the complainants and suggesting the Jews were behind it all. At that point, I ceased to read that thread.
Lynn Prentice knows what's going on and he actively promotes it.
Kiwibog may be a sewer and The Standard merely a gutter in comparisson, but I don't care to walk in either.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
Kiwibog may be a sewer and The Standard merely a gutter in comparisson, but I don’t care to walk in either.
In a nutshell.
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andin, in reply to
"If a child commits suicide, let us consider not celebrating their lives on our marae; perhaps bury them at the entrance of the cemetery so their deaths will be condemned by the people,” he wrote.
Boy that certainly doesnt look like responsible use of the communicative faculties. Does he think a child will be worried about where they are to be buried, so worried they wont top themselves. This man is an MP! Which people are supposed to be doing the condemning I wonder. He should be embarrassed, so shamed in fact he should go on a solitary pilgrimage to a cold mountaintop.
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