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OnPoint: Dear Labour Caucus

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  • 3410,

    As does my Firefox. That's a straight copy and past below, but the http:// isn't in the address bar I copied from.

    Yeah, I just tried that with the trimURL turned on again, and same result as you with web pages in general, but http:// not auto-copied across with RNZ's mp3 links, for some reason.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to 3410,

    Strange. By the way, I recommend copying the "Embed" url instead so people can choose to download or stream.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19158 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Damn pre-Xmas rush keeping me off PAS for two weeks. Catching up:

    it worked for Obama, the first Northern president since Kennedy

    I'm not sure we could count Reagan and Nixon - both from California, as Southern, in terms of the political divide, Presidents.

    Not that odd that the Herald & Stuff are talking up Shearer when you consider how right-wing they are, which outgoing right-wingers are backing Shearer, and those newspapers’ desire for continued Tory rule.

    Grant however isn't from the right wing of the Labour party.

    I doubt any of us have lived through times that will be as turbulent as what we’re staring down the barrel of right now.

    Except for those of us that have lived through the 4th Labour govt. And who actually knows what the next 3+ years turn out to be - it might not be as bad as the 1990 - 1999 National govt.

    It’s all been done in the exact reverse order to what it should be. It’s lost the initiative entirely.

    I think it's more chicken and egg than cart and horse. You could make that argument about the greens - because they're much more grass roots owned, leadership should in some way reflect the direction of the membership and their policy.

    In Labour, it's more leadership based and that person certainly has a lot of control over the direction of the party. So I can see why they didn't want to mire themselves down in three months of "what's our new direction" focus groups and caucuses, before putting that template onto a new leader... only for that new leader to look at the camel that was before him and throw it out as unworkable as far as they were concerned.

    That’s MMP, it’s made of coalitions. In the UK they don’t have the same system. I know it’s hard to get your head around after all these years, but get used to it, it’s here to stay.

    I really don't get the... I dunno what it is... idea? that this grand coalition of the almost left came oh so close to working. Greens, Mana, labour, NZ First and Maori Party? It's just not political reality in this decade. Numbers 1 & 3 are going to struggle to work together, and 2 & 5 ain't going to work together this term at least.

    I suspect you'd have seen the Greens prop up the national government before that coalition lasted three weeks. The election wasn't close, it wasn't even close to close. You need at least a 5% swing to make a left wing coalition possible.

    I’m just suggesting he could have known about it.

    Don't you think that if Hooten had known that the Labour party had already arranged the post-loss leader switcharoo, that the National Party would have been trumpeting it from the rooftops?

    Since Nov 2006 • 6241 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Hone’s address in reply. Sounds almost like a leftist!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cFEPqnZVOdk#!
    Not sure why it doesn't embed :(

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 1968 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    Greens, Mana, labour, NZ First and Maori Party? It’s just not political reality in this decade. Numbers 1 & 3 are going to struggle to work together, and 2 & 5 ain’t going to work together this term at least.

    One & three? Greens and Labour would struggle to work together? Or did you mean 1 and 4?

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,


    “motoring columnist” – partisan much?

    I hitchhiked from Papakura to Taupo as a passenger with Eric Thompson a year or two ago. We talked mostly about motor racing, and design. Nice guy, but it was mostly me listening to his strong opinions about how the world worked. I didn’t have much inclination to try and steer things away from particular preconceptions. Perhaps I should have.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    In Labour, it’s more leadership based and that person certainly has a lot of control over the direction of the party. So I can see why they didn’t want to mire themselves down in three months of “what’s our new direction” focus groups and caucuses,

    I hear interesting and promising discussion coming from within Labour, but like most things we'll have to wait to see what (if anything) comes of it. I believe the intent is sincere, but good intents have always been evident in Labour and have enabled as much as they've been a force for change.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to George Darroch,

    I hitchhiked from Papakura to Taupo as a passenger with Eric Thompson

    classic

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19158 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    feature=player_embedded&

    it doesn't like that bit in the middle.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19158 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews, in reply to Steve Parks,

    Yeah, 1 and 4 sorry.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6241 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    One of the difficultys in being middle classed, is not figuring out why the iPad won’t show the embedded YouTube files on public address system, so needing to fire up the laptop. Another is remembering how to use the knife and fork correctly.

    When I lived on alcohol, marmite sandwedges and wild silverbeat, life was care free, but a bit depressing.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3631 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Sacha,

    and though I can't see a preview of the embed this time, it plays just fine when I click the "From Youtube" text link below that. #sigh

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19158 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to steven crawford,

    One of the difficultys in being middle classed, is not figuring out why the iPad won’t show the embedded YouTube files on public address system,

    iPads don't do Flash, from memory. I don't use one myself, but that's what I remember from the launch.

    wild silverbeat

    Well, there's your problem right there - tame silverbeet would have fixed that. :-p

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2714 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart, in reply to nzlemming,

    iPads don’t do Flash, from memory. I don’t use one myself, but that’s what I remember from the launch.

    Indeed, they're notorious for it.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Not so long ago, Roger Douglas was left, now he's considered right. Richard Nixon was right, although he'd be considered left today. Libertarians are far right, whereas anarchists are far left. Stalin's Communist Party was far left, but Hitler's National Socialist Party was far right.

    That's not a failure of the left-right axis, though it does have failures. That's just perspective from a position on it, and recognition that it and the people on it change.

    On the other hand, Holly Walker is an impressive new MP because she did politics at Otago and Oxford (that well known bastion of hard nosed reality), worked in student media, and was a parliamentary researcher before parachuting into parliament as an MP with no real world experience and for a party that over 90% of New Zealanders adjudge to be worried about issues marginal to their day to day life.

    I hate how university, student media, parliamentary work aren't 'real world' for starters. They're the real world for several hundred thousand people. There's no political party that represents NZ properly.

    Also, unsurprising, parliament attracts political people. That feels better to me than businessmen standing in Tauranga who do nothing and then quit because parliament isn't the real world. No shit it ain't.

    “We’re the party of freedom, equality and fair play” is saying something they have to reckon with.

    But it's meaningless. Every party could say they're about that. It's a bumper sticker, not the basis for identifying your politics.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6241 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    On a recent post, I got a rather sharp (but civil) rap over the knuckles for carelessly using “tranny” in a way that was read as a slur on transgendered folks.

    Just for the record, I never read it as a slur, you’d used it before, it always felt like an affectionate use, to me. Despite having produced some of the crudest sentences and phrasings in probably the English language, it never completely obscures the reality that you’re a bit of a sweety Craig. Beyond that Guardian piece you linked to at the time, Julia Serano has written, at length, about her personal history of the T-word:

    I would love to see conversations about the word “tranny” reach this level of nuance. Rather than calling out the mere utterance of “tranny,” let’s call out instances in which the word is used to exploit, erase, or denigrate trans people. And rather than simply calling out the fact that someone has used the word, let’s call out the negative meanings behind the usage (e.g., “When you called her a ‘tranny’ just then, you were trying to sexualize/objectify her,” or “…you were implying that she’s not a ‘real’ woman”).

    I would argue that it’s the negative meanings behind word “tranny” that invalidate us, not the word itself. If we only strive to eradicate words (whether it be “tranny” or others), those negative meanings will continue to persist, and they will inevitably latch themselves onto other words. And it is only when we have convinced the much of the cis majority to abandon those negative meanings that the “activist language merry-go-round” will finally stop spinning.

    Last year I found myself alongside some others in an online debate with a Trumpster who was spouting all manner of bigotry and at the end of it, a cisperson informed me that they’d complained to the administrator about the Trumpster’s use of the word “tranny”, encouraging me rather encouragingly to do the same, as if that one word was the stand out in the 20 minutes odd minutes of hate we’d just witnessed.

    At the same time I totally appreciate and respect one’s right to vociferously resist, in the strongest possible legal terms ~ a word is as many things to as many people after all. Taking offence to a slur is quite natural and need not be discouraged ~ we all have our own baggage – I noticed Scarlet thanked you then and there.

    As for being an intractable conflict-seeker, it’s often difficult to fully grasp another’s motivations, and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if "You don’t exist unless we’re puttin’ our hormones up ya!” may have harvested the odd tearaway.

    Having one’s identity invalidated for decades, basically being told “you: your identity – you don’t exist” is the conflict. Without support networks, without the basic validations that most people quite reasonably expect and take for granted as a privilege, conflict is established as the modus operandi of one’s life, there’s no ‘seeking’ required, it’s there from sun up till sun down every day.

    Everyone is transphobic to some degree, all of us, because our civilisation is transphobic. Very few can begin to envisage alternatives. Some of the worst verbal transphobia I’ve witnessed has been internalised transphobia expressed by transgender people against ourselves, purely an export of ignorance, a folly which I’ve been led to believe is habit forming. Exclusion’s endless duel to the death with Inclusion might be a blinder. But as long as the pathologization of the transgender community remains in the hands of people like Ray Blanchard, progress will remain stunted:

    I would say if one could start from scratch, ignore all the history of removing homosexuality from the DSM, normal sexuality is whatever is related to reproduction. Now you have everything else. I would distinguish between behaviors which are anomalous and benign vs. those that are malignant. So homosexuality would be not normal but benign. Whereas something like serious dangerous sadism would be a malignant variation.

    At the end of the night, one is required to appreciate and distinguish between the degrees of acceptance and prejudice that one might expect from any given individual, and I’d personally rate the odd “tranny” down the lower end of the totem pole compared to say a well-intentioned individual who would pay lipservice to their support for the community, as they habitually employ oppositional sexism framing (10 years after the publication of Whipping Girl), while behind closed doors trotting out the familiar “some of my best friends are transgender and they would be appalled at you getting so het up about the bigotry” – as if we’re the Borg – which is again is much lower down the totem poll compared to Blanchard’s Neo-Freudian depictions and the obstacles to basic legal recognition. Another individual however will no doubt hold opposing views.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 1975 posts Report Reply

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