Posts by Russell Brown
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hiya bob
as a high-wired but cultural illiterate (so what am i doing here?) i appreciate it.
i asked for smart-people help because it didn't link.One of the quotes in the code was curly rather than straight, because that's what Word thinks you want. Took me a while to work out. Fixed now.
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There's been talk if it's close of legal disputes trying to bring them back in. Anyone know anything?
That would be a disaster.
"Help! HIllary's not winning! Change the rules!"
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And look at what you said about "get white folks' backs up, including mine". Do you not see that you are buying into a racist argument?
No. The "white people" thing was in response to a comment above, which I quoted. As you say, there were nutters fanning the flames on both sides.
Dosen't that make you feel even a little uncomfortable?
No, not at all. Not even a little bit. The Ngati Apa decision did not say that the foreshore had always belonged to Maori. It said that hapu had the right to explore their customary rights through the court. It indicated that the test for something approaching freehold would be high.
You say you would prefer it to go through the courts. Think for a moment: What if it were your families land? How strong would your preference be then?
Worik, I'm not sure if you understand the issue. If it was my family's land and had been in consistent use by my family since 1840, I'd be bloody delighted to have the opportunity to test my rights regarding that in court. And, as I/S indicated, wind up with something like the Ngati Porou settlement announced this week, but without the grief of an extra-judicial process.
As I said, that's what the whole thing was about. Whatever people chanted in the streets, it was not about "Maori have always owned the foreshore and seabed". Maori as a group had no rights in this at all. It was about specific hapu with a consistent connection to the land.
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Craig R and I were coming back from the radio recording today talking about what would happen if the Dems got to convention with Obama winning the popular vote but Hillary taking it with the super-delegates.
"Florida," said Craig.
Well, the shit's hitting the fan:
It's happening. Obama has the most delegates by virtue of your votes, our citizens. But Hillary has the lead in total delegates, 783-709. How is that possible? Because of a bunch of Democratic party officials got together and decided that they prefer Hillary, so they gave her the lead in spite of the fact that you, the voters, gave Obama the lead.
Who says Republicans are the only ones who know how to steal elections?
That's from AmericaBlog, which has a huge liberal audience.
If the Democratic establishment carries on down this road, it will lose the election and possibly destroy the party.
How would you feel as a bright-eyed youngster brought into the fold by Obama? Scrub that: how would you feel if you were black?
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Now Maori are tied up having to pursue through negotiation something that it looked very much like they already owned, because white people suddenly learnt that the beach might not actually be theirs.
It's the "all your foreshore are belong to us" rhetoric that helped get white folks' backs up, including mine.
The right to explore customary rights which might not have been specifically extinguished in the Treaty and which might in some circumstances equate to freehold title is not the same as, in the words of the placards, "Maori have always owned the foreshore." The hyperbolic rhetoric wasn't all one way.
I'd have preferred to see it go through the courts and wind up in something similar to the Ngati Porou deal, but Labour got spooked by the likes of the sky-is-falling editorial in the Herald, and by the traction National's "Iwi versus Kiwi" pitch was getting on the issue.
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Well, yes -- it might have been a good move to actually occupy the moral high ground instead of just claiming it.
Alternative media narrative then: "Helen Clark has gone to ground, refusing to comment over claims that she should 'get over it' on Waitangi Day."
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I thought Te Kaea had rather better coverage of Waitangi Day yesterday than the main news channels. Not just that they covered more events round the country, but with a degree less hysteria.
I haven't previously done anything in particular on Waitangi Day, but found my local experience at Ōtākou to be rather different to that presented in the msm. A very different tone.
Yes, it's the predictable media narrative and the accompanying posturing for political advantage I find wearying. I don't feel part of it.
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And do you think Clark could have been a little more snide and condescending herself?
Feb 5
Key slams Clark's absence from marae
Feb 6
Clark hits back over "get over it" comment
Was she supposed to say nothing?
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Something substantial, or just conjecture?
Nothing new. The firearms charges Iti will face this year aren't themselves so serious, but the police will throw in every admissable piece of evidence they can. I think there's enough there to substantially affect public perceptions of those involved.
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The Dems' problem is that the respective camp's supporters will tear each other apart by convention time.
There are lots of blog comments threads like this one out there today.
McCain is a large dead rat for the conservative establishment to swallow, but it appears that there are quite a few Obama voters who'll go to him rather than vote for Hillary.
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