And as often as history shows, excommunication. If everything is strawberry pie, why cant those that leave say anything about the places they come from. The leavers at Gloriavale all seem deeply upset.
Also back in my youth, 60's 70's, peace love dope, "poor" was acceptable. Hippies joined forces. I know my parents had to, to make their business work. A combined effort allowed many to flourish. Today that business still exists and, mum gone, dad is still a hero in his field.
I also know now the freedom they experienced and sexually, and more so, family in the States really did have a freedom sexually. I am happy that my life has been what it is. So where is the line? the line is kids. Kids get to choose when they want to investigate their sexuality. Parents don't get to decide. Even if they think they should or can, kids will find their own moment.
environments for acting on their paedophilia, so would have instantly recognised communes as easy pickings.
And then, how many cults and communes are there of this nature?
Many/most parents became victims, just like their children.
But parents can leave just as they came.Children don't have that luxury. If the answer they seek wasn't there, why stay? And if the answer was there . Kick them to the curb now.! Why subject children to something that has never been considered acceptable, just to stay . My other thinks about this quite deeply because of times in his youth he was subjected to dirty ol' men, felt the BBC condoned much of the behaviour coming to light now and acceptable behaviour in his community to get such things as scout patches. The 60's in the UK. We need more education. To allow a better understanding of indoctrination. To be able to recognise it. To be able to walk away. Don't get me wrong, 13 was a good age for me to be curious. At 13 I wanted to experiment . But it was my choice. That difference is acceptable.
I grew up with Artist parents. Great people with great friends who started the Browns Mill market. The place was one big family. People from Albany, People who lived at Centrepoint also. I never saw anyone at the Markets as anyone who wasn't creative artistic people. We had so much fun. One jeweller left his wife and kids for a 17 year old daughter of one of the people at the Markets. That was considered risque. It's the forcing children that I find so abhorrent. I just would expect any parent to want to protect their kids. It really says to me that the parents were really screwed up to begin with. Which as a bigger picture, was it repetitive behaviour on their behalf? Were they already repeating what had happened to themselves? And seriously, there needs to be more of them answering questions and being charged collectively if need be. This is absolutely not acceptable. This should be a class action. :(
Was wondering Anke or Emma. Is Angie ok, had surgery, and back from Bali? Cos it would be pretty horrible after all she’s contributed to your story, to be left there suffering .
ETA, I'm just flabbergasted at the sheer size of Potter's influence on other commune adults. To convince so many to allow such abuse of so many in a place that I thought of just being a hippy commune. I now wonder about the women I knew who stayed there. :(
The only angle I can think of, since David Fisher wrote both stories, is that he tried to get some noise made and failed,
From the Herald article
The police decision to seek detailed information without a legal order appears contrary to the position stated by Assistant Commissioner Malcolm Burgess to the Weekend Herald last March.
He said there were "controls around how information is both requested and provided ... While the Privacy Act provisions can be used to access low-level information, such as basic account details, higher-level data must be obtained through a production order," he said.
I'd even suggest this may have been an issue for Fisher.Also, seeing that Scoop got access to the court file and could divulge the information, he may have just been reaffirming what he suggested back in March and what was proof that Burgess was full of shit.
Another point gleaned in Scoops is that no other agency that the police requested information from would give them any.
Thanks Alfie, I was really trying to see what the outcome was as home detention was supposed to be considered "promptly". Well, if this is promptly, I'll eat my hat.
This can no longer be found, it seems the article you linked to which I read yesterday, has been removed from the Herald . Even a capture of some of what you show quoted returns no article in the Herald although I selected some of it and the article said it existed, as soon as I select that ,it still shows no such thing in the Herald. Definitely gone and nothing to follow up on it either. Nada.
This warrants an exposé – the spread of Rural Terrierists and their effect on the terroir…
Which reminds me wordsmith..., clink clink. :)
We got one too Alfie :) Not catching any at the mo but the neighbours terriers are doing a great job for us.