Before anyone gets too involved with “Jake”, I’ll just point out that’s a third shiny new account with the same viewpoint that coincidentally can’t work ellipses or paragraph breaks. I’m just sayin’. What I’m just sayin’ is that’s the same person.
events that are now over two years old
You know the situation well, right? If not the date.
Four. Four years since the start of an on-going situation which has not stopped.
I disagree – there is a very real public interest here. Outing people who hold these vile opinions about half the human race may go some way to showing how unacceptable these opinions are, and perhaps provide a heads-up to the women who have to interact with them IRL.
I have to say I agree, Judi. I think it's really important for women who may have to interact with Williams in future to know that he holds these views, for their own personal safety.
Thanks for that final beer at the Dux, Emma.
Might have been my final beer at the Dux too, Sacha. Sorry it was pissing with rain.
Seriously Christchurch people. Next time you open your mouths try and talk for more than a minute without saying how much you hate Auckland(ers) and Wellington(ians).
Seriously, Simon. You read this piece, today, and this was what you felt a burning need to say? That, what, we're failing to see who the real victims are here?
Your self-involvement and lack of empathy are pretty sad to see, to be honest. Maybe go and be this small somewhere else, at least until tomorrow.
On the topic of other 'religions' in schools:
A bitter dispute is raging in the northern Southland town of Riversdale due to the school wanting to introduce a calming technique for its pupils in the wake of bullying.
It is understood some Christian parents at Riversdale are furious the school wants to introduce the "mindfulness" technique, claiming it has Buddhism origins.
On the grounds that they are Christian festivals, and you are not Christian, this is not a Christian country etc etc…because, as “Danielle” says…
Danielle's name is Danielle, "Rosemary". Maybe exercise some basic good manners?
Tell me that they are not allowed exposure to Tolkein, Rowling, Grimm, Lewis, Mahy,
Nobody tells them that it's true.
Teaching them to be respectful of ALL knowledge, ALL beliefs, ALL lifestyles
Which Bible class absolutely does not do.
Also, my dedicated evangelist cousin takes the view that “hell” is not so much the fiery lake of burning sulfur (Revelations 21:8), as the discovery, upon death, that God exists, but that you will be forever “shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power” (2 Thessalonians 1:9).
Yes, God exists, but you are kept from his presence. Which means that fudging intermediaries like Limbo suddenly make no sense. If Hell is the absence of God, then Limbo, where unbaptised babies get sent, is Hell.
The issue is that the Bible is internally contradictory on the faith vs works thing. In one place, Jesus specifically says that Pagans can go to Heaven if they're good people, but there are plenty of other verses that say belief is absolutely necessary. And this kind of complexity and debate is one reason I don't find religion particularly suitable for children.
But because Bible in schools is for the most part taught by people from evangelical organisations, it's a particular kind of Christianity that gets taught. It was not, for instance, my mother's Christianity.
There's also weird stuff that goes on inside kids' heads when they're given information like this, regardless of the intention or nature of the teaching. I can remember a Sunday School lesson focused on teaching us the meaning of omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. That was the nature of God. A few months later, when I was molested by a stranger in a park? God saw, he knew, he was in control, ergo he did it. And as it was awful, he must have done it to punish me for being bad. By thinking about sex. so he showed me what it was like.
Emma was quite clear that this is being taught as part of +Social Studies+
No, I wasn't, because it isn't. Comparative religion should be, and its influence on society. If you're teaching about Christianity in that context, you also mention the negative side. It's not exactly small. Witch-trials. Crusades. Persecution of women, POC, LGBTI people.
The bible is just another book, albeit a book of massive cultural influence and importance, but still just a book that among a lot of down right absurd and freaky shit manages to present a bunch of positive ethics in a relatively easily and successfully consumed format.
Again, only if you cherry-pick it. The Bible also preaches a lot of hate. It supports slavery, murder and rape. If you were educating and not indoctrinatng, you would mention that. It's also central to Christian doctrine that non-Christians go to Hell, so if that's not being taught to kids, again, that's cherry-picking.
The fact that some of the "teachers" are very poor is intrinsic to the system, because Bible class is not taught by teachers.