I’m beginning to suspect you’re a quite unusual person, frankly
HOW long have we known each other?
Flag waving didn’t figure, you didn’t start the day at primary school with a pledge to anything or anyone
I have a very vague memory of a proposal when I was at intermediate - so, 83, 84 - for schools to start the day by ceremonially raising the flag. I was Really Mad about it: what a crushing, senseless waste of time. I guess they were worried about our lack of patriotism.
I think that’s probably (a) an accurate description of the quality, and (b) not something I can really be bothered with.
I think it's a good description of that kind of jingoistic patriotism we associate with America, "We're number one!" I think ours is more like, "I think my country's done some good shit." I would in fact argue that the most patriotic thing you can believe is that your country is capable of being better.
3) NZer’s tend to cringe at campaigns of any sort rather than joining in.
I do wonder if, were the general thrust of the campaign was in favour of retaining the flag, quite the reverse would have happened with submissions.
It was everywhere at the time it was a hit. And yes, it's seriously dark.
I am embarrassed to admit that I only discovered Emma after it was covered by the Sisters of Mercy.
Basically, they’re trying to have an MMP election under FPTP.
So I'm seeing, on Twitter, a whole bunch of English people who live in safe Tory seats saying they'll be voting Labour, and it's worth doing, because of the idea that the party that gets the highest % of the vote has the moral authority to form the government. Which is good, but it's also weird.
They’ve omitted to mention the potentially preclusive step between ‘fill it in’ and ‘upload it’, namely getting the document witnessed.
They really did. Mark, I've been told the Justice and Electoral Select Committee is still taking submissions on the election process, even though their deadline has officially passed. I'm sure the experience of overseas voters is something they should be hearing.
To now hugely tangent, I have a suspicion I can't really back up that maybe the Easy Vote card is contributing to a drop in turnout, because people think they need it to vote, and if they never received it or they lost it, they can't vote. People are perceiving it as voter ID. We had people come in without it on the off-chance that they could vote if they produced a driver's licence or similar ID. It's like we're confusing people by making the process too simple.
Regarding both dropping the age of suffrage and compulsory voting. If we did either of those things and nothing else, we'd get:
- a large waste of money, time, and effort on the part of the EC, dealing with deliberately spoiled/blank ballot papers
- a larger section of the eligible voting population not voting.
It seems to me that either approach would also require work done on engaging people to value their vote. Which needs to be done anyway.
Rob Salmond has a new post up regarding access to electoral rolls.
The regrettable part is that this solution would perpetuate the current double standard where it is OK to run a civic participation campaign using roll information if out are also standing in the election, but not if you are a non-partisan, pro-turnout group.
Is appealing to a disenchanted niche vote wrong? If so, then we should be happy kids don’t vote.
No, not at all, that’s kind of the opposite of what I was trying to say. In a non-proportional system, it’s easier to ignore a minority group of voters. It’s easier for there to be, for realsies, no actual point in voting, because you can’t change anything. Compulsory voting means those people will vote anyway, which may work as a disincentive for parties to crap on those people. Under a proportional system, it’s much easier for a viable party to emerge that caters to their interests. Which, huzzah.
One thing this report does do, I think, is very firmly put to bed the idea that it was the introduction of MMP which caused the drop in voter turnout.
But I also think there is a level of frustration with the lack of difference between the “goodies” and the “baddies” that leaves many with the feeling that their vote does not matter.
So, the EC ran those ‘your vote is a powerful thing’ ads with the changing faces. But they’re limited in what they can say to motivate people to vote by the necessary neutrality. They can’t run a campaign that says, “Hey, you guys don’t vote so much. But your grandparents do. Remember Christmas? Their voice is getting heard and yours isn’t. In the polling booth, your mum can’t tell you to shut up.”
The recommendations on the Electoral Roll run pretty contrary to Rob Salmond’s arguments that the data be made more open – interesting to see it come up here.
Okay, to me this looks like two people/groups identifying similar problems, and suggesting different solutions. So at the moment,
If rolls and habitation indexes can be inspected and purchased, it is impossible to ensure that they are not being used for ancillary purposes. Patterns of purchase indicate that rolls are rarely being used for scrutiny purposes. They are mainly purchased by business and media organisations and used for debt collection, marketing, and other ancillary purposes
This would seem to indicate that the legal safeguards Rob talks about aren’t really working. I think maybe we can agree that it was never anybody’s intention that the primary use of purchased electoral rolls is for debt collection?
feedback from outreach activities suggests that many electors are nonetheless unwilling to enrol because they do not meet the criteria for inclusion on the unpublished roll but have concerns about their full residential address being available at large.
In Australia, rolls have been available only for inspection at Electoral Commission offices since 2004.
So, from the EC’s point of view, they don’t want people not enrolling or updating their details because they owe Baycorp, or because they’re worried about being found by an abusive ex they have not laid charges against.
Rob’s point about the double standard is well made. What I can’t see is a compelling argument as to why he, or other private individuals, should have access to that information, which outweighs concerns for people’s physical safety.