On other news, Pricewaterhouse Cooper is now saying the real cost of the plebiscite will be more like $500m.
PwC economics and policy partner Jeremy Thorpe notes the impact a stand-alone plebiscite would have on the LGBTI community saying; "What we find is the cost to the LGBTI community are in the order of $20 million for dealing with additional mental health costs that arise, just because of the stress and the public nature of the plebiscite.”
To be honest, I think this boils down simply to the fact there is no federal human rights/anti-discrimination legislation for queers in Australia. If I go to rent a house in the Northern Territory, I can simply be denied just because I’m a big old dyke.
This 'order of things' has boggled me a bit with the US as well: there are still thirty-odd states where you can be legally fired from your job for your sexuality or gender identity. And yes, because these aren't specifically protected grounds in the Constitution.
headline today was one school has withdrawn, 30 have signed up. The bigot campaign appears to be unsuccessful.
Lovely. I do love a good unintended consequence.
Something I discovered today. In England, adultery is grounds for divorce if you're married, but not for dissolution if you're in a civil partnership. But if you're in a same-sex marriage, you can only divorce your partner for adultery if they sleep with someone of the opposite sex. So if your husband sleeps with another man, that doesn't count as adultery.
I have no idea how this plays out for trans and intersex people.
Yeah, we've had a wee chat about this, and I'm going to close the thread. As Ian says, the point has been made, and made, and it seems there's nothing constructive to add to the discussion, and genuine pain being caused, so hopefully people will understand why I'm making the call.
Luckily the plebiscite is compulsory, so we should avoid the problem of “meh, whatever, why not” voters staying home and handing the process over to the die-hard opposition.
Oh, yes, one of the links I have in the piece on plebiscites in general says they're NOT compulsory, so good to note that this one IS.
It’ll be fine, really, because the Christians have so far failed to get the restrictions on hate speech lifted for the duration. They have tried, though.
at best you’d get some awful version of “Throw your arms around me”
That would be fabulous.
One positive is that Turnbull has managed to send Cory Bernadi out of the country for the duration.
I do wonder what the UN did to deserve that.
You presumed that the rest of us somehow instinctively knew that. How exactly?
Even if I'd dug the hole all sneaky and a-purpose, which I didn't, nobody forced you to jump in it.
And *I* get accused of being sanctimonious?! Nice mention of “with your children”, by the way. Very John Key-esque in the irrelevance of it, but at least Someone is Thinking of the Children!!1!
It's not irrelevant at all. Hebe has had to run from her home with her children. That was part of the point.
Would you defend their position? Would you be supportive of someone saying they still feel grief from the Napier earthquakes? Consequent effects from stress, yes, can last decades. Grief? No. Grief is a phase, not an occupation or vocation.
I wouldn't police someone else's emotions, because that would be a Dick Move. Funny, when we were discussing my mother's death here, nobody told me what the expiry date on grief was. Instead, we talked about how it actually never really goes away, you just learn how to carry it.
Certainly, I would not criticise someone's grieving during a memorial.
I guess for every statement that’s ever made, “somebody on the internet” will argue the opposite position Emma. In this case you’re quoting a “friend” of somebody on Twitter.
"Someone on the internet" is Phil Lyth, who works for the Electoral Commission. His "friend" is the person who did the translating for the Electoral Commission. But what would they know, right?