ubjective value that Fascism = bad (mmmkay?).
But as a society we did arrive at that subjective value by consensus, by way of vigourous debate and large-scale field-testing in the mid-20th Century.
Tangentially, It was mentioned twice on Emma's thread that New Zealanders need to produce identification to buy panadol and cough medicine. I would subjectively deem that fascist. obviously it wouldn't fit the more specific consensual definition of fascism, but there is always that Orwellian query - "now we have established consensus, ie. that Nazi style facism=fascism=bad,- is it constant?"
To achieve this consensus, a specificity of the definition of fascism was required, which ultimately came to lend the powers that be the freedom to move the defining goal posts, and freely redefine what is "nonfascist." incorporating as many individual elements of fascism into democracy, relying on the original consensus of what fascism is/was, to duck the charge of fascism. But it's an unfair exchange in that while democracy has assimilated many features of fascism it has not maintained balance by applying democratic attributes to the definition of fascism. It's an unfair exchange. Hence relatively speaking fascism is a shrinking quantity.
Post consensual reference to consensus can take on a form akin to fascism.
Tellingly, the absence of females (excluding Islander) involved in this discussion, acutely contextualizes the abstractions being dealt to with saws and cars, in real world terms.
chris, I'm sure your tongue is sticking through your cheek when you write
i need better camouflage.
@ Islander, I'm sure the Government could see fit to earmark some of the $21.7 billion tourists bring to New Zealand every year. Even if the Government only sees $2billion of that in GST, I'm pretty sure it could almost be enough to at least cover some of road maintenance necessary to rectify the damage those damn foreign bicyclists and their ungodly contraptions cause.
whenever I see something described as "A Quality Product" I think "What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Diagnosis- inference deficient or learning difficulties.
Aussie boyfriend confuses Miley
"The thing Liam says that always makes me laugh is 'Bob's your uncle,''Cyrus said.
I'm like 'What are you saying? Who's Bob? What are you talking about?' He always says it and I say, 'I don't know what you are talking about but it is hilarious.''
Is it just me or are the drivers on this thread a little more edgy than "these people " -the non-drivers?
A few years ago, when I was in my early-20's, I had a long conversation with my teenage cousin about whether Terminator 1 or Terminator 2 was the 'better' film. I was arguing for T1, because it aligned more closely with things I thought were important: originality
Science fiction author Harlan Ellison sued James Cameron, claiming that the film was plagiarized from the two "The Outer Limits" (1963) episodes that Ellison wrote, namely "The Outer Limits: Soldier (#2.1)" (1964) and "The Outer Limits: Demon with a Glass Hand (#2.5)" (1964). The concept of "Skynet" could also have been borrowed from an Ellison short story called "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream." The suit was settled out of court and newer prints of the film acknowledge Ellison.
Quote from IMDB.com
The strange thing about this discussion is no one is actually linking to full length versions of the films being discussed. It's just another long ad for google owned bootlegger site youtube.com. FTA.
That book was my life for a while around the age of 3, just photos, I didn't realise it was film until much later. Classic.
Also, it better have the subtitles if it's a foreign film.
them American accents, gets me every time.
I find I'm enjoying your pieces more and more Ian. Timing and execution.
So is a sharp saw or a blunt saw better for playing Mozart on?
"Quality," or "value," as described by Pirsig, cannot be defined because it empirically precedes any intellectual construction of it.
I think part of the impetus to critique with this much passion is somehow affected by the fact that film is a team assisted sport, heavily reliant on finance. There's an equation we run through in our heads in which we ascertain how much of the production process we understand, we divide the budget by our going rate, subtract the hype and evaluate whether with the same amount of resources we could do better.
If Avatar were an indie costing $2m, reactions may be very different. I don't think it really qualifies as bad, just average Hollywood fodder.
To break things down such as focusing simply of Cameron's imagination and vision of another world, one would be hard pressed to say justify a 'crap' rating.
Like Michael Jackson in his dancing prime, who could justify calling that dancing anything other than quality? But the film Moonwalker on the other hand...I love it, but not everyone's cup of tea.
At least something like this, no time to think it out carefully, work awaits.
Legolas was shooting blanks.