Deepest sympathies Emma, and thank you for introducing us to your mother.
Im glad you were able even to just sit with her as death approached. And prepare in some way for the inevitable.
Something we as children did not have the privilege of doing.
All we got at my mothers sudden demise was a young cop sitting rather impatiently to call the ambulance to take away the corpse.
(Perhaps his dinner was getting cold) oops was that bitter and cynical... sorry.
No Jacqui it must be me who apologises!
I’m rather glad you said this, as I suspect I read your earlier response to mine as being aggressive.
I have been deliberately tart (as Islander said I think) sometimes I fell ashamed to have even shared a planet with some, who I have to share a colloquialism with. And I have had some domestic problems, I don't mean to use that as an excuse. And I hope I don't get mistaken for a bully and incur the wrath those whose site we use. So maybe this may have spilled into my replies.
So I apologise my lack of manners and a confused mind.
“Baby boom” is over 60 years old now.
And if someone calls me baby .......one more time!
Likewise ditto. I was told it was just my imagination – can’t say I agreed at the time. I haven’t had the experience lately though.
It is a product of your semi conscious state. As others have said it usually occurs in a semi sleep state. It has been leapt upon by various practitioners in meditative states as being something extraordinary (a window into another consciousness if you will). But thats bullshit.
And many thanks Islander.
And thanks to Kyle for offering an apology.
Because that’s what happened in this country when the 40 year olds of the Lange government took over from the 60 year olds of the Muldoon one. And we’re still seeing the political reverberations with Winston and others now.
And that time should be highlighted/seared in our minds. The 80's the era of the long lunch, people living "high on the hog". (I think we should give them name the NZStay-at -homes?).
I heard all about it, caught the tail end, private jets and ....well. And what did the country get, middle men running ex-state assets and prices went up, wages slowly became static. Highlight this as much as you can please, I certainly wont be forgetting it. Thats when I started work on the Time Machine.
Thanks for that Sacha
Has it now? Because frankly contemporary theories of mind seem pretty convincing to me, and they don’t have all that much trouble in talking about consciousness in concrete terms.
Sorry I wasnt referring to consciousness, yes that is very concrete. I guess it is the use some people put their consciousness to work imagining and thinking it real? (not sure how to say it). I cant really speak for anyone else, or perhaps shouldnt.
Well I have satisfied myself there is no “there” after life.
Can you tell me how you did this? Without having died yourself?
Is that supposed to be funny? If you have any religious affiliations please declare them now. And it would take more time than I have to devote at the moment. If you are genuinely interested I will write it all down at some later date.
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Pointing out that a certain generalised group were the main beneficiaries of some changes isn’t the same as blaming them.
During the following 25+ years - their peak earning years when people pay the most in income tax, they did not fund the care of their elders as per the social contract that had built up for several decades. Within a few years their parents and grandparents were having to sell their homes to fund their hospital care.
No, not blaming them for anything, except destroying several decades of an apparent "social contract". Now thats loaded language if ever I read it. And forcing parents and grandparents onto the street. Big, big sweeping generalisations I think you have to agree.
If it’s gone to an afterlife, the corpse could be irrelevant.
But finding "IT" in a living person has proved absolutely fruitless, so if "IT" is not there in a living person, "IT" most certainly wont be there in a corpse.
Please define "IT"
But, Andin, that’s the point. You won’t know until you’re there!
Yup, I think Occam’s razor is taken too far. Just because you don’t, and can’t possibly, know about something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Well I have satisfied myself there is no “there” after life. But I expect no one to believe anything I say on the subject because this fiction of something incorporeal in the walking meat has become so pervasive there is all manner of fantasising around it.
All I can say is if there is an afterlife/a god, any clues or hints as to what it maybe, will not to be found in any of the speculations of mankind so far.
Just thinking ahead Jacqui, and kicking against all the christian and other mystical bullshit we have constructed around death over the centuries.
I would like to be able to make that decision when it suits me, and not have medical staff trying to keep me alive in whatever state until my body gives up.
we’ll find that the secret of dotage is life/awareness in a different dimension? A real cosmic joke!
Another cosmic joke? HA There are no secrets of awareness, different dimensions where all is revealed. I dont mean to sound harsh, but we have to trim back on the fantasy realms it makes for mental flab.
If the state takes a lien out against their property, it’s means the kids inherit less,
I think you’ll find something along these lines is already in place. If my experience with my Grandmother is typical. One thing Im not sure of, if it was driven by the rest home or the state.
Could be, definitely the average lifespan increased a lot.
I dont want to live much past 85. In fact if I had my way I'd choose my death date.
I'm sorry, I cannot see what our lives and world views have in common beside coincidence of birth year.
And coincidence is all those of us born after the war have in common.
That's a stereotype?
C’mom andin, just having survived this long is selling out.
I guess street cred is everything. I wondering which street tho'?
I think time has been called, and the real world gets back tomorrow.
Hobbitses 'n all.