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  • Hard News: Everyone's a critic,

    Auckland does ................ lower end food extraordinarily well.

    These establishments are where I choose to dine.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    No one seemed to notice my RB missive above. Or was it just too much for you all to admit that's how you feel? ;-)

    That bodes well for my chances of one day having sex with aliens.

    Someonez haz to seez them firzt

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=Ahg6qcgoay4

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Dude, what just happened?,

    Like we need another legal way for ordinary NZ'ers to trash their bodies and minds and become a constant drain on the taxpayer system...

    Gee..... measured by that yardstick Work could be made illegal.
    woohoo!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    Sometimes it requires an effort to stand back and remind myself that religion does also (much more quietly) do many good things for society.

    I would much rather you gave the credit for all those good things to the people who perform them. Crediting it to that vague spectre religion does them a disservice. Tho' they may credit their particular faith, Im sure they would really get a kick out of a personal thanks at the time.

    Ben

    Then again, absence of proof is not proof of absence. William Cowper. He was a poet, and as Bjork said 'you can't trust a poet'.
    Yes, as a principle for enabling the possibility of God, it sounds weak.

    You could on the right track there Ben.
    Victor Stenger in his new book suggests a lack of evidence for gods is evidence for the lack of gods


    David I must also apologise for my first grumpy post. Sorry.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    Chris

    Sorry, no Andin. My dish is but persuasive language with a sprinkling of anecdote

    And you are very good at it.
    Communication misunderstanding I thought you were referring to the Long March. I see from your links you meant the Cultural Revolution.
    Not much I can say, I don't want to reduce all those lives lost to numbers. Its a problem in China (it may be changing I don't know) individual lives sometimes don't count for much. It may have something to do with China's history.
    Russia had similar problems in its violent transition from an absolute monarchy to communism. The population transferred their total submission from the Czar/Church to the leaders of the Bolsheviks, and Stalin exploited it.
    Anyway wayyy to serious, Im off to take in the sunset.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    Any definition of atheism that treats it as other than a religious position is rather silly, surely? These definitions all seem to be invented for the convenience of atheists.

    There's more than one definition of atheism? And all these alternate definitions have been invented by atheist? for their convenience?

    The idea that atheists want to encourage thought is mildly amusing. If you hold most atheists up to the light, ........blah ....blah...........blah why Christainity is shit".
    Enough atheist propaganda. Atheism isn't about thinking, as any acquaintance with them shows. It's about convenience.

    Boy you are so far off the mark, for a well educated person, and veering dangerously close to lunacy.
    Questioning the beliefs handed down to us from a couple of
    millennia of dubious reasoning is not encouraging thought?
    What a bizarre assertion.
    Atheism is about convenience?
    Good lord man what are you on?

    Chris

    Horrendous atrocities committed in the PRC back in the day to stifle religion, resulted in significantly limited freedom of public expression of religion (particularly with reference to these Abrahamic religions which are undeniably the prime focus of this thread) that have been allowed to reemerge, producing an environment where belief systems remain in the only place they're of any practical benefit, ie. in peoples' own minds.

    PRC, Are you talking about the People Republic of China?
    Do you have anything that might resemble evidence for your assertions above? There is presently an awful lot of publicity around events the the RCC, that would suggest that beliefs left alone in peoples minds festered and erupted in very corrosive ways. Of no benefit at all.

    And as an aside as an atheist Im not to keen on Hinduism, all that caste stuff. And although I have come to reject all the supernatural add on elements to Buddhism, I find a daily mindfulness of breathing meditation helps me with my day. But thats a story for another day.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    hell bent on getting you thinking really hard about something they think it's a waste of the world's time to think about, is nowhere near as annoying as proselytizing Christians,

    I wish everyone thought like you.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    Isn't there some cat called Dick Dawkins who makes a living carrying on about it?

    Last I heard he was an evolutionary biologist and author and made his living doing that. He did write on book specifically about religion.
    "Makes a living carrying on about it" is as an inaccurate statement as one could make about his profession.
    And anyway I was hoping you would dish the dirt on PA's most vociferous atheists.

    It was the only sect of non-believers at University that I can remember had their own club about it, and regularly gave Christians airtime and a pulpit in loud debates,

    Ya see there's yer problem, university debating clubs are just an excuse to get pissed and all the loudness was just built up thirst waiting to be sated. Not real life at all. Oh Wait.....

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    Many Thanks David (is it David or Dr?) didnt want to derail a thread.

    and don't even go to Church.

    How do you know they are christian?
    Do they pray prior to the christmas gorgefest.

    my co-workers are Mormons and I never even knew.

    Heard of Mr Deity? The creator was raised Mormon, he's very funny talking about his childhood.

    Yes, the atheists we hear from most often.

    Oooo Who are they, pray tell?

    but from the way they talk they're just the same as anyone else,

    Damn, I was sure they grew horns.
    Um thats a joke.....

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

  • Southerly: The Problem With Religion,

    There is nothing inherent in atheism which requires removing belief from other people, though some atheists do behave like that.

    Gee Hope you werent thinking of me when you wrote that.
    But if you were...
    I don't want to remove belief in gods.
    I would prefer people just to give up on it.
    It will be a long process unfortunately.
    Um solar water heaters......?

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1227 posts Report Reply

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