In my view, the release of Dirty Politics was only the start, and it’ll likely be a slow burner like Watergate was in the 1970s. There’s still David Parker’s complaint to the police to be investigated. And the Chief Ombudsman has been sounding warnings of late.
And I'm sure they're all going to be perfectly legitimate news stories when they come around, but I'm really wondering if some people hereabouts would only be happy if Paddy Gower was chasing Judith Collins around Parliament with a burning pitchfork.
1. Most people haven’t read the book and, because they don’t follow politics, didn’t understand (or even care about) the substance of what it depicts
OK, I have to put a penny in the swear-jar for using the phrase but it was almost the textbook “Beltway issue”. And I’m not going to be popular for saying this, but I think too many people on the left forgot to go out and convince people outside the Beltway bubble to care rather than think chanting “Whale Oil” and “dirty politics” was going to be electoral Kryptonite. It just wasn’t, and you can spend the next three years pouring vitriol on the stupid sheeple but it misses the point.
I guess there’s also a bit of “oh crap the election is over what do we do now” from a press gallery still running on adrenaline …
Extremely likely -- I'm sure everyone in the Press Gallery was loading up on Red Bull and No-Doze for a return season of Winston's Koalition Kapers (the greatest show on Earth)... which just didn't happen. What's left? From the look of it, a load of "Johnny No-Mates who shouldn't be up so late on a school night" snark directed at David Seymour and an understandable (if dull) level of ebullience among Team National.
Dover Samuels said on NatRad this morning that Labour lost because it “lurched to the left”. Knowing Dover, who party voted for Winston this time round, I’m not even sure he’s right or not.
Honestly, Red, all anyone knows about "why Labour lost" is that National got a lot more votes than everyone else. Anything else is wild surmise, as far as I can see.
It's not ok to question the Labour Party when John Key has slimed into Parliament as the Government and lets Collins and Williamson back in and still wont tell the truth.
OK, Sofie, I think everyone well and truly gets it that you don't accept the outcome of the election and think everyone who voted for the wrong side is either stupid or malignant but it's never "not OK" to question our political lords and masters.
Would you still agree that when the media is being used to attack the opposition, democracy as a whole suffers?
I will never agree that subjecting our elected representatives to scrutiny and criticism ipso facto hurts democracy. And characterizing the Opposition as "powerless" is just beyond belief.
As I've said, I don't really see the news value in the OTT focus on the leadership of the Labour Party that's, as far as I'm aware, going to be an open question for at least three months even if Paddy Gower gives himself a brain bleed and follows Cunliffe into the loo for a good harangue. But pronouncing the death of democracy is just doubling down on the hyperbole.
In case you simply don’t see it, the role of journalism should be to hold the powerful – i.e., the government of the day – to account. Not the powerless – among which number we should include Cunliffe at the moment.
Oh, what a load of bullshit. Unless I’ve missed Key declaring that Parliamentary democracy is over in this country, Cunliffe is still the leader of a significant Parliamentary grouping that I hope isn’t going to just fuck off to the pub for the next three years. I DO think there’s a hell of a lot of over-excited hacks trying to beat up a story that isn’t really there (Labour’s leadership is going to be an open question for at least three or four months, as I understand it) let’s not throw too big a pity party here.
I don’t really understand how tactical voting isn’t isn’t tribal. Voting for your local MP, even if the polls tell you it’s futile, because they represent your ideology isn’t tribal, it’s just being truthful. And trust me, that’s a more sustainable way of being.
Yes! And it's more than a little obnoxious to bitch people for, you know, casting their electorate vote for the person on the ballot they thought would be the best MP. Perhaps I'm biased by Bolger's treatment of Mark Thomas, but perhaps the media-political complex need to get the fuck out of their Beltway bubble and stop treating voters like silly little "sheeple" who need to do what they're told by their betters. Seriously. Cut that shit out.
And Danyl @ the DimPost also agrees, saying that stability and coherence are bigger voter magnets than good policy and values.
To be fair, not quite what he was arguing there. I agree with him that for non-tribal voters, policy doesn't mean a great deal if (fairly or not) the parties concerned are seen as incompetent, scary and prone to being the political equivalent of the Saw franchise. And that's not only true of the left -- I'm not being facetious when I say Tony Blair's biggest ally was the Tories, who seemed determined to make themselves incrreasingly unelectable, and don't even get me started on the ALP. When you're making Tony Abbot look an attractive proposition by comparison, you're doing EVERYTHING wrong.
It’s more a case of those who voted for the Ohariu Labour & Green candidates either not grasping tactical voting, or being blindly tribalistic in their voting.
Or, to float a completely cray-cray idea, they actually voted for the candidate they thought would have been the best Member of Parliament out of the candidates on offer. (I don't know because of that tiresome secret ballot thing, and neither do you.) If you want to bitch someone, why don't you piss on the parties who put them on the ballot in the first place instead of condescending to voters in a manner I'm beginning to find rather obnoxious.
I'm really sorry a plurality of voters didn't put their ticks where you'd prefer they do, but welcome to my world in 1999, 2002 and 2005. It happens; I hope everyone gets through their grieving process soon.
Do you think people who don’t have ID shouldn’t be able to vote?
There's also serious penalties for impersonating an elector for the purposes of committing electoral fraud, and there are mechanisms in place to detect said fraud which is incredibly rare.