A while back I was concerned that if National were to win a third term many people would suspect that the election was somehow rigged. In light of recent events I believe any doubt would now be unlikely.
Weirdly enough, the last time I heard this tune was in 2005 after Labour narrowly secured a third term. Was the Don Brash impersonation intentional, Steve?
I am ignorant of the law, but I would have thought that if there was anyone with the resources and legal authority to require the logs from the third party in this (Facebook) for a conversation at a known time and date, it would be the Inspector General of the SIS investigating the leaking of classified documents. In fact, if everyone denies everything, I would say this is a logical step in a thorough investigation.
Good God, David, are you taking the piss? These are strange days indeed, but Public Address is the last place on Earth I expected to read that. Be very careful what you wish for...
If there is one thing that comes out of this that is positive I am hoping that no journalist will take anything that Cameron Slater says at face value.
I'd like to think no journalist takes anyone at face value -- not because they glibly assume everyone lies, but because it's quite reasonable to assume nobody ever talks to the media without some object in view.
I thought the structure was odd: they seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time circling around land/immigration/investment.
I thought that was a bit odd too, because Winston's usual Yellow Peril dog-whistle bullshit aside is it really that big an issue for anyone? Still, I think Cunliffe (to his credit) managed to avoid getting that stink all over him, though I still think someone needs to nut up and call bullshit on the not-that-subtly coded race-baiting behind chuntering about "foreign ownership." I mentally turn down the volume a notch every time China gets mentioned to the exclusion of everywhere else.
Hosking’s inability to stop them talking over each other so much and the short time available per answer gave little incentive to dwell on specifics.
Fair point -- I really don't know how politicians think talking over each other reads but it bugs the hell out of me. It all comes down to whether you take these things seriously, or view them as infotainment; I wonder if Hosking was just told to let them go at each other, and pray they'd lose their shit for a quick and easy "political bitch-slap!" lead.
The detail he didn’t have on housing would require actually being in Government.
Nah, that dog’s not going to hunt. You just don’t get to have it both ways, Sofie – perhaps I’m naive, but I expect party leaders to be able to clearly articulate the details of their own policy especially when (let’s be honest) they’re hardly missing an opportunity to call the other bastards liars who couldn’t organize the proverbial piss-up in a brewery. I’m certainly not saying it reached the level of throwing serious doubt on Cunliffe or Key’s credibility, but they might want to watch that. IIRC, there’s one more debate on One in the final week. That’s not when you want the media focused on asking whether you’re just clueless about your own big ticket policies or deliberately being *cough* strategically ambiguous.
I thought Cunliffe kept his cool and Key looked bitter and drained.
Meh, might be a bit of projection going on there? I really don’t want to harsh the holiday buzz by looking at the usual suspects, but I’m sure plenty of folks are going on about Cunliffe looking desperate and shrill. Didn’t seem to me either was true.
Saw bits and pieces, while sitting around with our hosts and the television on the background. Seems to me both Key and Cunliffe should be reasonably happy about how it turned out – nobody came up with a soundbite gaffe that will haunt them for the rest of the campaign. Key wasn’t goofy, and Cunliffe did a pretty good job of avoiding that slightly patronizing tone he can slip into to.
That said: There were patches when they both seemed rather… vague on the details of their own policies. Really not an option, guys.
I hereby retract all comments I made during the Presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, all smug and mocking, along the lines of “Only in America …”
It would be fair to point out that unlike the United States, we don't directly elect our executive branch of government. Back in the day, you might be surprised how many I know had no particular affection for Helen Clark but you know... Labour wasn't doing a terribly bad job on the whole.
Part of it may be that there are hardly any right-wing musicians and artists and those who are aren’t currently movement to anger.
And an even bigger part of it is the Electoral Commission is there not to be "fair" but to apply the law, even if it's a bit of a flustercluck, in the world as it is. Any one seriously want to suggest there would be a different reaction if the track was called Silent T rather than Planet Key? Seriously?
What do "tribes" have to do with it? Russell and I have been having *cough* free and frank exchanges of views for years, but even if Fiona, Jimmy and Leo weren't friends I don't take cheap shots at them to get at Russell. He repays the courtesy. It's just what you do if you're not a complete rectum on the body politic.
And no matter what you think of John Key, I don't think subjecting his daughter to violent and sexualized lyrical bullshit is acceptable. That's just abuse culture in action and this shit has to stop. Full stop. Period. No exceptions or qualification accepted.