Posts by BenWilson

  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Well it's yet another one of those battles over who's king. Oh so important when you have a monarchy.

    I doubt Charles III will get beheaded. But he might well either be personally asked to abdicate, deposed by Act of Parliament or force a republic into play.

    He could. Or they might just let him carry on, ignoring him where convenient, letting him say whatever he likes. No monarch has been forced to abdicate for a long, long time. I doubt there's a British politician with the stones to do it now.

    BTW, I'm not a royalist. Quite the opposite, I think it's ridiculous. But it's the system, and I believe in holding those in charge to account when a system breaks down. I don't hold out any hope that the Queen will have anything to say. But I think she should. This is one of the few times where it might matter, where it might actually justify the position even existing. That she will sit back and let the nation collectively shit its pants and die is just a testament to the complete inadequacy of the existing system.

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  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    I don’t think there’s much of an appetite to revisit this.

    I'm not so sure. It's a game they are very careful how they play, sure. But there's not going to be any monarchs losing their heads in this day and age, for starters. And Charles, at least, has been a fan of having political opinion. He clearly thinks it's a real job, even if his Mum's policy has been to treat it as entirely titular. At least so they say. Who can know how much real influence is wielded by someone in constant contact with the elected PM, who holds an official position that carries a lot of gravitas? Especially since the matter at hand really does go to many matters relating to Bosworth Field and far beyond. When sovereignty itself is what is at stake, I find it almost impossible to believe that the sovereign having no opinion is either true, or axiomatically wise.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve, in reply to steven crawford,

    Interesting stuff. It's a pity the article doesn't say whether she did or didn't veto the particular acts listed.

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  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve, in reply to steven crawford,

    I expect it's for similar reasons that the elected leadership isn't. Too cowardly, too worried about their own position. Which is bizarre in both cases, because the main reasons given for the existence of the monarch and the non-proportional democracy by representatives is that they're so wonderfully decisive and practical and capable. But what they're showing is the exact opposite, disarray, distancing, fear, weakness, uncoordination. On both sides of the political fence, too. It's quite pathetic.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve,

    I guess what I'm saying here is that there never was a more appropriate time for a proper representative leader to rise above the madness and lay out a sensible path. I'm personally not that much of a fan of representative democracy because I think the leadership can too easily ignore the popular will. But that is the system in most of the democratic world, and it is definitely the system in Britain. Now is the time for the value, the famous practicality, the robustness of that system to show itself. If not an elected leader, if no one will stand up, then perhaps the disaster clause, the official head of the state, could be calling for that. This is a serious enough choice for her to make her displeasure at the craven vacillation of the supposed leadership known. There is not even a leadership to demand her abdication for such arrogance. FFS this is the system the Brexit supporters are voting for? It's beyond irony and into laughing stock territory.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve,

    It's hard to see how nutting out an exit plan and then putting it to the people is ignoring their will. But then I don't live in under Westminster democracy any more so perhaps I have forgotten what a pale shade of democracy it is, how little experience they have with such simple ideas. How ironic that this is the very system that Brexit is a vote to make supreme again.

    If it then leads to a massive rise and election of the UKIP, then perhaps that is the due process here. The people who initiated Brexit take lead on organizing it. Of course this is more likely to be calling a bluff and there is no chance of a one issue party gaining even a significant minority. So the off chance that Britain has actually lapsed into collective insanity is still not a good reason to not enter into a sane democratic engagement with the withdrawal process.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve, in reply to Rich Lock,

    I’m not sure I buy Monbiot’s ability to see the future on this. Not do I buy that it’s “bad democracy”. It’s way worse democracy to roll over and accept disaster just because of a single poll result. AFAIK it’s still a representative democracy, and the referendum is non binding. The representatives are the ones democratically elected to make choices on behalf of the people, that is how their system works. One of those choices can certainly be to enter into a better plebescite process than this balls-up, in which there is a real concrete plan that people are voting on. This can quite righteously be seen as a strong message that such a process be entered into. Democracy is meant to take time. It’s meant to be a process of public engagement. I can accept that the British government has been pretty shit at that for ages, but that doesn’t mean they can never learn. This could be that time.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve,

    I mean FFS you practically have the entire political establishment on your side. For once. Use the damned thing, make it easy for them to at least have another poll.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: The Government you Deserve,

    The saddest part about Brexit to me is how easily people seem to have given up. The fight is not yet over and Remain seems worth fighting for. Take it to the bitter end if you ever had the courage of your convictions. This thing could still be rescued.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit,

    Since there is a power vacuum, it might be a good time to ask the Queen what she thinks. If there was ever a time for a constitutional monarchy, it would be when the democratic system suddenly collapses. This might be a moment in which the entire justification for her position could be made or broken. She is staring down the barrel of the end of her kingdom, and surely has something to say about it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 9850 posts Report Reply

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