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Hard News: The file-sharing bill

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  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    fair dealing provisions

    we all need to become journalists or teachers

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15711 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Russell Brown,

    We all watch infringing material on YouTube, even the copyright crusaders.

    Including this one:

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to glennd,

    I just configured a VPN on an Amazon AWS cloud instance (basically, a virtual server running in the US or elsewhere). It works, after a fashion. About 300kbps (on a 2M circuit from here), so probably needs a few tweaks.

    You can watch Youtube on it though. Amazon have a free tier of service (10G of traffic a month) which would probably be workable. Needs a credit card - I'm going to see if a Pressy Card works.

    I think it might be worth it to keep the government out of my internet.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

  • Sean Murgatroyd, in reply to Russell Brown,

    We all watch infringing material on YouTube, even the copyright crusaders.

    Oh thank god someone else has come to that conclusion! Yes.

    Also:

    Yes, if you were torrenting kiddy-porn, then the authorities would really want to know who exactly was responsible. But that's not going to be of interest to copyright enforcers - they're not interested in real crimes.

    This.

    Protection of "intellectual property" is not about prevention of crime. Plagiarists can also put a (c) at the bottom of a page, and if they do so first, they win.

    Please, nobody steal off me by remembering the words I just typed.

    New Zealand • Since Apr 2011 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • Jacqui Dunn, in reply to Sacha,

    including voting against Gareth Hughes’s sensible amendment to remove one of the worst features

    I heard him on bFM about an hour ago. He's very clear, very forthright, and I believe, will some day be PM. Quite the most intelligent speaker on this subject, from Parliament, so far. But that wouldn't take much doing! He remarked on how much support his speech got via Twitter, which encouraged him, but also that Parliament is behind the times with regard to the internet.

    Has Labour said why they didn't support his amendment? I'm thoroughly disappointed about that. What on earth is going on?

    Deepest, darkest Avondale… • Since Jul 2010 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Sean Murgatroyd,

    Plagiarists can also put a (c) at the bottom of a page, and if they do so first, they win.

    Not really, no.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Rex Widerstrom, in reply to Kracklite,

    the officer ... fraudulently, with intent to intimidate a suspect, lied to the suspect,

    Hah! Takes me back to my first arrest... or was it my second? Anyway, a long time ago as shall become apparent.

    Mr Plod storms into the interview room and tells me my friend is next door, confessing all and blaming me. Of course he was doing no such thing (at least partly because we were innocent, as a court later determined).

    Fortunately, though only a callow youth I was already a cynic so my response was "You've spent too long watching Hill Street Blues" (yes, it was that long ago). That resulted in a most unseemly outburst involving words which would have got an innocent rapper arrested.

    Since then virtually every contact I've had with the police, either directly or on behalf of someone else, has uncovered lying to suspects.

    There was the time they told me that they had a "car full of witnesses, cleaners going to work early" who'd seen me set fire to my own vehicle in the early hours. For the insurance, apparently. Except it was uninsured and I was left catching the bus.

    Evidently those witnesses turned out to be "unwilling to come to court" so I was "lucky to get off" when they withdrew the charge.

    And so on...

    Complaints just from me would crash the IPCA website, I suspect :-D

    Sadly, though, court after court has okayed lying to a suspect as a legitimate interrogation tactic, even if the intent is to intimidate (because the intent is almost always to intimidate).

    Mind you, there's always the chance the IPCA will take a different view, so kudos for taking the time (please don't think the purpose of this is to mock your efforts!) and do please post the results.

    Perth, Western Australia • Since Nov 2006 • 155 posts Report Reply

  • Sean Murgatroyd, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Not really, no.

    No. But that model certainly is being exploited by patent trolls far and wide.

    New Zealand • Since Apr 2011 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • jo kerr,

    The problem for the government is that they have now taken responsibility for policing internet content and in doing so entered an impossible arms race. Hoovering up the ip addresses from public torrent trackers is easy and will provide an initial gratifying deluge that proves their law is working. But the organized release groups that seed torrents also post the files on file hosting services like rapidshare megaupload filesonic etc, indexed by search engines like filestube and accessible with any browser or clients like jdownloader. They post them on usenet groups accessible on premium usenet providers. None of which make the ip addresses accessible and all available encrypted through VPNs. So NZers just end up funding the file hosting services and premium usenet providers instead of using p2p. Many users have already come to the conclusion that in a country with capped bandwidth providers that file hosting subscriptions are better value than losing the seeding bandwidth to p2p.

    Since Apr 2010 • 24 posts Report Reply

  • Rex Widerstrom, in reply to Jason Kemp,

    Are there an PAS readers who would consider standing for parliament. We just have to do better than this.

    And into which box of fruit loops would we jump, exactly?

    Unless Russell's up for forming a PAS party, in which case I'm ready with my sub :-) Because there's a broad range of thought here, but the common thread is that it's intelligent and rarely, if ever, falls back on a cultish adherence to "party loyalty" at the expense of reason.

    I mean, I'm just reading about the work of Andrew Leigh a federal Labor MP. Did his PhD at Harvard under Robert Putnam (whose work on societal disconnect is worth reading, and tangenitally relevant to the whole file sharing topic, if anyone has time).

    Returned to Australia, became an economics professor at the Australian National University. Undertook an Australian study mirroring Putnam's work and published it as a book, Disconnected.

    I have no idea what Leigh's positions on issues are. I may disagree with all of them. But I suspect they'll be well thought out, factual and evidence based even if I dispute the conclusions he draws from that evidence. And I suspect they'll be concisely and intelligently expressed.

    Now I'm not saying the NZ Parliament ought to be stuffed with PhDs. But do we have even one person with the sort of academic track record Leigh has? Do we have a successful business person? (not a slippery derivatives trader, I'm talking about someone who's built up a business, employed people (and not just an occasional farm manager) and so on). Probably the closest we have is Steven Joyce!

    Yes, we must do better. But as I've said many times before, party selection procedures:
    a) require mindless adherence to the prevailing orthodoxy (which they see as "loyalty") rather than embodiment of certain principles but disparate opinions as to how to enact them; and
    b) a good dose of teh stupid, so as not to be too much of a risk of challenging the existing order.

    To do better, we need a better vehicle. the old ones are broken down and, for all that I admire the optimism and dedication of those who believe they can be fixed, I don't think they can.

    Perth, Western Australia • Since Nov 2006 • 155 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Martin,

    but also that Parliament is behind the times with regard to the internet.

    Heh...you should hear the Speaker on the tabling of quotes from blogs. He can barely bring himself to say the word.
    Of course there is the youtube of him floating about wherein he promises to resign from Parliament if he doesn't get the student loan scheme cancelled. So he may be a tad tender about the intertubes...

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 184 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    Thank you, glennd and Matthew Poole, my questions have been cleared up. And that demonstrates the beauty of PAS.

    So if use of a VPN is going to force an ISP to work very hard to track down the illegal downloaders (and clearly its already hard enough even without a VPN), and VPN use is so common among, for example, China-based expats who want to keep up with the likes of Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, that it seems clear the technical barriers to using a VPN are very low (like, if you can use a credit card and perhaps download and install a bit of software, you're good to go), what's to stop internet users in NZ using VPNs to continue on as per usual?

    Then how do they resolve the difference in geographical and virtual location? Could somebody given an infringement notice then say, "Well, no, my body may have been in NZ, but because I was online in China/Chile/Britain/generally somewhere else, you'll have to sue me under their laws"?

    Beijing • Since Jan 2007 • 1720 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    Has Labour said why they didn't support his amendment?

    Check their own blog and tell us what you think they're saying. I'm unclear beyond some general mumble about compromise. They're drawing a fair caning about it.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15711 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Sean Murgatroyd,

    But that model certainly is being exploited by patent trolls far and wide.

    Patents != copyrights.

    The pit from whence crawl… • Since Mar 2007 • 3731 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    And like my point above about torrents using a VPN doesn't mean that one is evading the law - one might just care about personal privacy or have commercial secrets you don't want flying free on the net - I use them all the time to work with client's software, to protect their commercial secrets something I'm bound to do by my consulting agreements

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 1958 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to jo kerr,

    The problem for the government is that they have now taken responsibility for policing internet content and in doing so entered an impossible arms race.

    Hmmm... The Chinese government is pretty good at that internet policing thing...

    Beijing • Since Jan 2007 • 1720 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rex Widerstrom,

    it's intelligent and rarely, if ever, falls back on a cultish adherence to "party loyalty" at the expense of reason

    Sadly that's still regarded as being class traitors by some.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15711 posts Report Reply

  • Jacqui Dunn, in reply to Sacha,

    Check their own blog and tell us what you think they're saying.

    Oh-oh. No time and I'm away for the evening. Will have a look tomorrow. (Ever the procrastinator!)

    Deepest, darkest Avondale… • Since Jul 2010 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Rex Widerstrom,

    Do we have a successful business person?

    Anderton became general manager of an engineering firm, I believe. He's a dirty capitalist at heart.

    The pit from whence crawl… • Since Mar 2007 • 3731 posts Report Reply

  • Sean Murgatroyd, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Patents != copyrights.

    Intellectual property = intellectual property. You seem to be assuming that if I use an analogy that's broken some identifiable respect that I'm using a broken analogy. Every analogy is broken, because the real world is the only thing that maps to the real world.

    I'm merely pointing out that intellectual property is the wider conversation taking place, being played out in copyright law. Creative Commons also != Copyright, but there are equivalences that can be discussed.

    Keep up, eh!

    New Zealand • Since Apr 2011 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Rex Widerstrom,

    Now I'm not saying the NZ Parliament ought to be stuffed with PhDs. But do we have even one person with the sort of academic track record Leigh has? Do we have a successful business person?

    Dave Cunliffe is a Fulbright Scholar with a Masters from Harvard. And Dave Parker has a background in bio-tech.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 3894 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    how do they resolve the difference in geographical and virtual location?

    The Crimes Act sez:

    For the purpose of jurisdiction, where any act or omission forming part of any offence, or any event necessary to the completion of any offence, occurs in New Zealand, the offence shall be deemed to be committed in New Zealand, whether the person charged with the offence was in New Zealand or not at the time of the act, omission, or event

    Whether a computer performing processing is an "act" or an "event" is I guess a subject for legal discussion.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

  • Rex Widerstrom, in reply to Sacha,

    Sadly that's still regarded as being class traitors by some

    Good grief, castigated for debating the facts* "...rather than offering solidarity..."

    It's an aspect of the "Hitchens syndrome" ((c) me, since we're swinging that way now :-P)

    Cross to our side of the debate and you're an enlightened, open-minded hero. If only more of those phlegmatic, blind ideologues on t'other side had your majestic adherence to evidence-based conclusions, etc etc.

    Cross away from our side of the debate and you're a self-interested class traitor who has betrayed the principles of solidarity. Etc.

    Comes back to what I'm saying about political parties and their "you're either 100% with us or you're against us" atttitude to candidate selection and ranking.

    * I'm assuming, knowing PASers. I took no part in those debates because, frankly, I couldn't be arsed absorbing enough information on which to form a considered opinion.

    Perth, Western Australia • Since Nov 2006 • 155 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jacqui Dunn,

    Will have a look tomorrow

    It'll keep. Until about November.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15711 posts Report Reply

  • Rex Widerstrom,

    @Deep Red:

    Ah, didn't know that about Cunliffe. I knew there had to be some reason I didn't skim past his utterances chortling to myself though. Thanks.

    Perth, Western Australia • Since Nov 2006 • 155 posts Report Reply

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