Hard News: A depressing day in court
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Actually, if you were a woman and had just had your nose broken by a male much bigger than yourself, let alone the spitting blood etc I'm sure you would have "stood by" when that same person was attacked by another - I doubt you would have intervened either.
I'll reserve judgement on the broken nose: neither of the witnesses have thought to mention it, and you'd think it would have been apparent. Perhaps we'll hear more about it when the case goes to trial.
But what a witness did see was hubby conducting a sustained assault, "not holding back at all", with fists and knees, on a 16 year-old boy who had his hands tied, had blood around his nose and mouth and had been so desperate to escape that he flagged down a passing motorist. And she didn't even call out for hubby to stop?
Her own son, David. How on earth can you claim this woman operates anything like a safe household? Both her sons are now clearly disturbed, both have been involved in violent incidents with the husband, who has already admitted charges of assault in the latter case - and you're still implying that CYFS was wrong to be concerned?
Here and elsewhere you've implied that CYFS workers, police, teachers and doctors have all acted inappropriately or even corruptly with respect to this family - you've even implied that the grandmother is in on it. Is it not far more likely that all these professionals have been right, and the "Timaru lady" is a danger to her children?
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Bravo to her son. If more vicious bullies got a taste of their own medicine, they might be a little more restrained.
Er, no actually. It seems clear enough that this family's problems lie in the use of violence to solve disputes. The fact that the boys learned that from mum doesn't make it right.
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merc,
Well handled. What is becoming apparent is that the spotlight is on inter-generational violence and that is a good thing. It will take some time for some to catch on that it is a big problem. In the meantime the Courts and the Police will push public opinion along with convictions and sentencing, because that's what they also do.
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... if that is a fact, of which you don't know. There are things about the history of this boy which are probably suppressed by the courts now, that I cant repeat, that are no different to any other brat who has similar interactions with law authorities. Actually, I can't understand why the MSM has ignored the fact that this woman's nose was broken. It's a material fact, and the MSM knows about it. Perhaps if the kid didn't break his moms nose he wouldn't have got such a hiding. Why don't the MSM question why this kid wasn't prosecuted for assault with intent to injure if they really wanted to do their job properly? In fact, Russell, why haven't you questioned that? If you were a woman and your nose was broken by your son, ( I have been told that this nose had had previously been broken by someone who was convicted of assault) would you have been more concerned about your nose or more about your son getting a hiding by your partner who was taking such action to stop him beating you up?
The younger boy is scared of CYFS. I am not saying it is wrong for CYFS to be concerned, or even involved with this family, its just that I think CYFS could have handled the various interactins with this family better, thats all. Finally I havent implied that the grandmother is "in on it" - all I have said is that the grandmother was the CYFS caregiver who smacked the boy while in her care - yet CYFS did not jump and down about that, did they?
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Dave - I think the point everyone's trying to make is just going over your head - "giving someone a hiding" because they hurt someone else is part of a cycle of violence - it's a mistake to give someone a hiding whether they broke your nose or kicked you in the shin or stepped on your toe -you step away and if it's serious you bring in the cops etc what you don;t do is play judge/jury/executioner and step in and beat the crap out of someone
If you did it to a random stranger in the street you'd both end up in the lockup for public fighting
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Perhaps if the kid didn't break his moms nose he wouldn't have got such a hiding.
Good grief ...
Why don't the MSM question why this kid wasn't prosecuted for assault with intent to injure if they really wanted to do their job properly?
Presumably because they haven't yet signed up to The Cult of the Timaru Lady.
In fact, Russell, why haven't you questioned that? If you were a woman and your nose was broken by your son, ( I have been told that this nose had had previously been broken by someone who was convicted of assault) would you have been more concerned about your nose or more about your son getting a hiding by your partner who was taking such action to stop him beating you up?
And yet the evidence of the boy, which is supported by his waving down the witness's car, and his attempt to call his birth father, was that he was trying to get away from the lovely couple. Even in the presence of the witness, the husband continued to administer a sustained bodily beating to a bloodied boy whose hands he had tied. One would imagine the "brat", as you insist on putting it, was terrified.
Dave, don't dig yourself in any further. I know you're not a bad guy, but this is getting bizarre.
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The gender bias government does not endorse the rights of the biological ( birth )father Russell, as they want them taken off the birth certificate's , so when this type of incident happens in the future the affected children experiencing difficulty will not be able to contact anybody other than the totally dysfunctional department of moron's - that make up the dangerous cyfs regime of deluded fools !
Easy to see who is parent and who is not on this sneering put down thread . -
they want them taken off the birth certificate
i'm not sure that's even possible.
Easy to see who is parent and who is not on this sneering put down thread
i take that to mean you're in favour of hog-tying and beating children? yes? no?
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Che Tibby
The Marriage Amendent Bill clearly states that a women can keep the birth father from the birth certificate . Fact read the gender hateful utopian greens delirious angle on the issue .I am not in favour of hog-tying children , however I am not impressed with the pc police that allow a delayed twin baby homicide investigation ? Double standard or matter of priority ? The kids got smacked on the head with a hammer and the killer still walks free due to judicial incompetence .
Child abuse is at record levels, however the socialists only concern themselves with cases that endorse their wrongful ideology.
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Dear Lord. It's like walking down the street and having some drunken hobo leap out of a darkened ally and start hollering crazy shit at you.
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Dear Lord the crazy socialist shyt just keeps flowing sheltered under mere auspices of our children. Currently, however, it strives to further sustain sheltering. So now, the innocence of our children proves insufficient to fully cloak its burgeoning dimension. Accordingly, the section 59 White Elephant presently postures to additional blanketing for cover. In deed, it now may be observed in endeavor to facilitate or propagate vile catalysts for hate – i.e., hate of no other than loving parents to children.
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I am not in favour of hog-tying children , however I am not impressed with the pc police that allow a delayed twin baby homicide investigation ? Double standard or matter of priority ? The kids got smacked on the head with a hammer and the killer still walks free due to judicial incompetence.
Are you referring to the Kahui case?
Chris Kahui's lawyer applied this month for a six-month remand, because she was busy. The judge described that as an "unsatisfactory delay" and ruled that the case be heard in June, whatever her difficulties. Exactly what is your complaint about that?
I'm really not sure what this has to do with the "PC police", or what, for that matter, it actually has to do with the topic.
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The handling of the Kahui case was a disgrace from the start but the scetion 59 White Elephant cares little. Rather, it may possess a drive so great for its next fix (or even relative to mere believe (of false dicta) of need to prospective parents for cyfs to devour) so as to urge the White Elephant blatantly forward into blundering stampede against better interests of children of the socialist fabric. Figuratively (if not literally) speaking, the White Elephant now tramples upon fundamental liberty interests as though a beast in a China Shop – mind you, as allegedly the “best interest of the child.”
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D4J, I've appreciated the fact that your contributions here are more measured than elsewhere, but your last two posts have been angry gibberish. Can you calm down a bit?
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The Marriage Amendent Bill clearly states that a women can keep the birth father from the birth certificate.
interesting. i didn't know that.
are they able to have the birth father removed from the certificate after it has been issued?
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You are so right Russell, I must calm down. Its pick on d4j today – hooray nothing unusual and after 7 years of shear hell you kinda get used to abuse and criticism as a falsely accused dad. Anyway I will just put a band aid on my bleeding heart and in my opinion, it is no wonder that the spokesperson of section 59 – a member of and catering unto the White Elephant – seemed a little desperate in performing of the cleverly crafted magic for smoke and mirrors. Consider her unscrupulous comment’s “pro violence and sexual predators” which do insinuate the apparent effort to attempt the NOW all too familiar “emotional” stigma trick. So be it and while many an astute and gracious scholar, citizen and patriot may calmly present via clear articulation with credible citation, reference and otherwise; clever crafters seem ever continual in effort for cover by self-manufactured hallmarks as though of PC acceptable (not) practices.
Che Tibby - the new gender bias legislation will further erode paternal parental rights and I would have thought you so called learned socialists would know that. Did you know that you cannot get the state to fund a paternity test for a man as a client of the gender bias de family court of thrills and spills. Low priority for the government in a wayward judicial system. Meanwhile over at kiwiblog I am being called a father guilty of paedophilia today, so whats new, have a cigar and speights, as the world is mad and I need a dark alley to hide in
With sincerity of expression and good will.
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Mark,
"As a campaigner for Section 59, she makes a compelling argument against it."
Yes, a nutty violent cow is against the repeal of section 59, therefore section 59 should be repealed. Brilliant argument - point out the most extreme elements and use that as your argument in support of your view. On a similar vein we should not repeal section 59 because there are some hysterical voices in support, e.g. "oi thunk ut's a good idea to stop poiple thrashing an beating their kuds" (H. Clark 2007). -
And and by the way Russell I do agree - a court day is depressing, as you the tax -payer of the state have paid for me to enter the doors over 150 times since family estrangement , what's a couple million dollars eh ?
The White Elephant must adhere to greater 'ism' of play within a landscape of ever changing goal posts . Is it little wonder women out number men in the land of milk and wasted money ?
So does the government care about children , the statistic's make sorrowful reading , but we won't mention that eh ? Course not . We are out of step with our thoughts on the family - evidence Doha Declaration and even a bright person fails to understand the smoke screen of section 59 White Elephant when a government fails to sign up to a international declaration that would see mothers and fathers treated as equal parents . We couldn't have that could we, but we can use a horsewhip case to lever unnecessary change law . The double standard reaks of injustice .
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As much as I feel for your situation - which is obviously all kinds of screwed up - your posts are about as coherent as Time Cube. If you're sore at being called names on Kiwiblog, then why not take the cigar and Speights and have an evening off from the Internet?
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therefore section 59 should be repealed. Brilliant argument - point out the most extreme elements and use that as your argument in support of your view.
Not what I said. But this video was uploaded by Rynso as the latest in a series of pro-Section 59 campaign videos, on the same day she appeared in court. Despite the gravity of the current charges, the woman not only allowed that to go ahead, but seems set on making herself some sort of media figurehead for the virtues of reasonable force. Don't you think that's counterproductive?
On a similar vein we should not repeal section 59 because there are some hysterical voices in support, e.g. "oi thunk ut's a good idea to stop poiple thrashing an beating their kuds" (H. Clark 2007).
Hilarious. A Helen Clark impression. You do realise I'm trying not to have this place turn into Kiwiblog? Make an argument by all means.
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And and by the way Russell I do agree - a court day is depressing, as you the tax -payer of the state have paid for me to enter the doors over 150 times since family estrangement , what's a couple million dollars eh ?
I've been personally involved in the Family Court case of a friend who was badly let down by the system - I stood in court myself to give evidence and cop some of the filth that was flying, but it was worth it. I know the Family Court isn't perfect, believe me, and if you've been treated as badly as you say, I genuinely feel for you. But this isn't the right place to vent your anger about it.
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Thank you Sam F but Time Cube is hogwash and this quote proves my point ;
"It is easy to think the State has a lot of different
objects --
military, political, economic, and what not.
But in a way things are much simpler than that.
The State exists simply to promote and to protect
the ordinary happiness of human beings in this life.
A husband and wife chatting over a fire,
a couple of friends having a game of darts in a pub,
a man reading a book in his own room
or digging in his own garden --
that is what the State is there for.
And unless they are helping to increase
and prolong and protect such moments,
all the laws, parliaments, armies, courts, police,
economics, etc., are simply a waste of time."
-- C. S. Lewis
(1898-1963), British novelist
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/C..S..Lewis.Quote.80F3Don't worry Russell I hope this post is not angry gibberish , oh my, my where is my mouth wash as I would hate to upset his holy nibs . I will leave it at that for now because you know , you must keep the standard up , hate to ever get like kiwiblog , lol , really hate to cause any conflict - lol . God help New Zealand .
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Mark,
Shit, you're right. Sorry. I keep forgetting forgetting how fair you were to National during your Hard News broadcasts of the 90s. From what I can see, Kiwiblog is the new HN equivalent in that both were/are solely there for the purpose of shitting on the government of the day.
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