Hard News: About Arie
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I believe people with aspergers chose the term “aspie” (though I still have a lot to learn about the history). Plus I like the way it sounds.
+1.
It works. And it sounds kinda happy when you say it.
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
it sounds kinda happy when you say it
If you're Aspie and you know it, clap your hands?
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Clap your hands!! :)
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BenWilson, in reply to
If you're autie and you know it, flap your hands.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
If you’re Aspie and you know it, clap your hands?
There are several things in life like that. Deep philosophical questions about the meaning of life for instance, what is it all about? Apparently, you put your left leg in, you put your left leg out, you do the hokey pokey and you shake it all about… That’s what it’s all about.
Yes, sexual reproduction, with a left wing bias, simple. -
Matthew Poole, in reply to
If there is evidence that army people have been involved in an assault then they should be charged. Not “talked to”.
Of course. But all we've heard so far is that they had a leer and a jeer, which is not a crime.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
If you’re autie and you know it, flap your hands.
Boom!
Can that really be the first time that joke has been made?
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We’ve discussed this hereabouts before, but the form of words identifying ASD people is interesting.
I’ve always preferred say say people are autistic or Aspergers, rather than that they have it, which sounds too much like an affliction, rather than a core element of identity.
David Cohen uses the noun “autist”, which I quite like, but it sounds way better when he says it than when I do.
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BenWilson, in reply to
Can that really be the first time that joke has been made?
Hell no, I think it's a Facebook page, even.
Edit: Also a T-Shirt
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
more understandable coming from Aussie cops because we generally expect Kiwi cops to not behave like gang-land enforcers.
Perhaps I need to cultivate a more *cough* robust class of Australian, but the ones I know expect their police officers to behave better than a league player on date night too. And dare I say it. most of them go their entire careers without being persons of interest to a commission of inquiry into corruption.
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BenWilson, in reply to
And dare I say it. most of them go their entire careers without being persons of interest to a commission of inquiry into corruption.
Yes, it's worth remembering that it's a much bigger country, so there's a lot more cops which means more crooked ones, who we tend to hear about.
But I have to say in Melbourne that I saw a lot of police eating in restaurants, and never once saw one pay. One guy helped himself to the till before leaving, though, while the owner looked on in impotent despair. And I left a jacket at Burger King, which was handed in to the police, and my camera, which was noted on the police report as being in the pocket when they got it, was gone, and never recovered. So on a purely subjective impression, it seems that casual corruption is more widespread there.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
But Aspie still makes me think of some kind of snake, and really I don't like snakes. When one came into my wife's lab in California we both retreated to the back of the lab while the local laughed at us for being afraid of a grass snake.
Whereas most of my colleagues are somewhere on the spectrum and I like most ... er ... some of them.
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They put lettuce in them now? The innovation!
Not in the plain hamburger or cheeseburger. You have to go up the McD's food chain to, like, the Big Mac or something to get the luxury of lettuce. (Or go to Wendy's.)
(I think perhaps Gio was suffering from an a priori conception he has of a hamburger.)
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There’s been a few euphemisms both here at publicaddress and at other forums regarding the beating given to Arie Smith-Voorkamp.
Have a look at his photo which norightturn has up. http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/03/missing-something-serious.html
I see a possible broken nose, bruising and swelling around his mouth, bruising below his temple and a damaged ear.
This was no “striking out” by police or a simple black eye, that’s just apologist bullshit.
He got beaten in custody like we’d imagine happens in places like Fiji or China.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
(I think perhaps Gio was suffering from an a priori conception he has of a hamburger.)
I was! I confess to not having visited that fine Scottish establishment in a while.
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Che Tibby, in reply to
You have to go up the McD’s food chain to, like, the Big Mac or something to get the luxury of lettuce.
i think they actually call it "a green lettuce-like substitute". or "GLLS"
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
Your ability to determine all the facts from one photograph is amazing.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
GLLS
I think they use dehydrated lettuce that will hydrate to the perfect limpness when placed on an oily meat-like pattie.
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Your ability to minimize and describe a police beating of a vulnrable person as the poor police ' striking out ' is not amazing ........... its sick.
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Sacha, in reply to
I’ve always preferred say say people are autistic or Aspergers, rather than that they have it, which sounds too much like an affliction, rather than a core element of identity.
Ooh, one of my favourite specialist topics (not that I'm obsessed).
There's a risk of "Aspie" being seen as the *whole* of someone's identity but let me explain why on balance I prefer it.
I see parallels with the American-derived 'people-first' labelling which (driven largely by concerned parents, from what I've read) was a reaction against disabled people being labelled as "the spastic" or "the deaf" or "the arthritic". So much more human to say "people with cerabral palsy" or "people with autism" or "people with disabilities" (though still preserving medicalised labels and a deficit model).
But it didn't go as far as the UK-derived "disabled people" wording did. That's where the NZ government's Disability Strategy and the UN Convention draw their conceptual base from, if not all of their language or implementation focus - the understanding that disability is an interaction between personal impairments and wider social, physical, service and other environments.
Thus, people are disabled by environments that don't met their needs; by others not designing and delivering things properly for a large chunk of the population (about one in five or 800,000 New Zealanders for instance).
Appropriate supports and remedial action can help people play their part in our society and economy despite those environmental defects. Disabled people are some of the most resourceful I've ever met but there are limits to our ability to fix barriers made by others.
To me, "people with disabilities" locates the matter far too much as a characteristic of each person rather than a broader social/practical process that we all have a stake in.
It influences where we think attention and investment should go, reinforcing sterotypes that disability is an individualised health/welfare problem in need of a 'cure' or some charity (or another media story about a lone plucky battler).
We look for the fault in the person, not in what surrounds them. So we fund the expensive medical operation rather than the improved customer service or larger print or smooth footpaths that would actually benefit more people (including most who don't think of themselves as disabled).
Or we just carry on thinking that way, even where a medical 'cure' is miles away from reality despite massive investment. Easy to tap the stereotypes to rally support for that perspective and label it as "hope" - see Catwalk Trust's harmful advertisements about walking again being the highest aspiration for wheelchair users with spinal cord injuries. Most disabled people can list many other funding priorities that would allow them to get on with their lives productively.
The Christchurch quake gave us several examples of survivors pulled from the rubble and pointing out that amputation wasn't the worst thing that could have happened to them. We don't hear that very often, do we?
It's not about being 'PC'. Most policymakers and publicly-funded agencies just don't pay enough attention to the implications of their choices of language. They also don't *act* smartly enough. And vocal elements who lack much insight behind their preferences cloud the picture.
It's crying out for smarter investment, coherent strategic focus and far stronger leadership all round.
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nzlemming, in reply to
David Cohen uses the noun “autist”, which I quite like, but it sounds way better when he says it than when I do
So a photo of Leo would be "A Portrait of the Autist as a Young Man"?
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I confess to having worked there, so the method of making them was ingrained. I notice Gio also missed the onions. But most people do because they're onion beads, rather than slices, makes the production line go faster.
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Sacha, in reply to
David Cohen uses the noun “autist”, which I quite like, but it sounds way better when he says it than when I do.
I can't escape thinking of Houdini when I hear that, for some reason
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Christopher Dempsey, in reply to
_clap's hands_.
Very mild and mostly unnoticeable, but there definitely.
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Sacha, in reply to
This was no “striking out” by police or a simple black eye, that’s just apologist bullshit.
Peter, it also seems possible to me that there was a scuffle and he fell or was pushed onto something solid like a concrete kerb. Nothing apologist about that and I'm still demanding that the authorities who were responsible for his wellbeing at the time provide explanations.
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