Hard News: About Arie
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nzlemming, in reply to
Please take the multitudinous rude comments I could make here and apply them to oneself :-p
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nzlemming, in reply to
The Collins email doesn’t actually say “Public Address”. It says “Russell Brown’s blog”. She doesn’t seem to like me
Publish and be damned? ;-)
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
There is an angry email from her office circulating, mentioning PA.
Anyone care to forward me a copy? I'm sure I'm one of the many whose impertinent questioning of her choice of words has raised her blood pressure.
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Che Tibby, in reply to
me too. would love to be privy to any correspondence.
hell. might even OIA it.
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James Butler, in reply to
Amongst all this deserved condemnation of Collins I have yet to see much of Goff for his “court martialed and shot” comment, which he later – in true “Crusher” Collins “I meant double bunking, not rape” style – tried to pass off as a joke.
I think Goff's comments flow naturally from Collins', like his response to Key's list of celebrities he'd like to do - he wants to be popular like the Nats, so when he hears one of them say something outrageous, his first instinct is to one-up them.
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The building concerned was not actually a house but an old shop destroyed in the Sept earthquake and awaiting demoltion. So even less evidence for 'looting'.
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hmmm... surely in order to be "court martialed" one need to have been in the armed services?
or is this just me saying "me too!! me too!!"
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
surely in order to be “court martialed” one need to have been in the armed services?
Or at least have been subject to their discipline. A large number of civilian employees of NZDF are subject to the Armed Forces Discipline Act.
And, of course, capital punishment in New Zealand was abolished entirely in 1989. Goff was in Parliament then, and voted for the repeal Bill, so I'm surprised he doesn't remember that wee detail.
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Rex Widerstrom, in reply to
he wants to be popular like the Nats, so when he hears one of them say something outrageous, his first instinct is to one-up them
So, the apocryphal kid who, rather than stand up to the bullies, joins them in picking on even weaker people in the playground.
Err... Phil? The first bit of the title you coveted for so many years? It's Leader of the Opposition.
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James Butler, in reply to
Err… Phil? The first bit of the title you coveted for so many years? It’s Leader of the Opposition.
Not to mention the last bit, Opposition...
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I think Goff’s comments flow naturally from Collins’, like his response to Key’s list of celebrities he’d like to do – he wants to be popular like the Nats, so when he hears one of them say something outrageous, his first instinct is to one-up them.
Sadly, I suspect you're right.
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Autism NZ criticises police minister over comments.
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3410,
On radio station BFM on February 28, Mr Goff talked about meeting a man in Linwood whose sister was killed in the quake, whose house had been badly damaged but then it was ransacked by looters.
"I saw the army out in the street and I thought court martial, firing squads you just can't believe how low a small minority of people can get," he told the radio station.
Later...
Mr Goff said it was clear he was joking.
"I was making the point that first of all I had absolute contempt for anybody who would exploit other people's misery at a time like this but I was making a joke ... It was obviously not intended to be taken seriously by anyone other than the most dim-witted National Party blogger."
Fucking weasel; can't even get his lies right either. According to Goff, his response to a bereaved man who's just had his house burgled (Maurice Gardiner, presumably) is to make jokes about it. I'm sure that even "the most dim-witted National Party blogger" will notice that.
For the record, Phil, the correct response is: "I didn't really mean it. My anger over the situation caused me misspeak", ie the fucking truth!!
Fuck!
Can we please get rid of this clown already?!
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
I think Goff's comments flow naturally from Collins', like his response to Key's list of celebrities he'd like to do - he wants to be popular like the Nats, so when he hears one of them say something outrageous, his first instinct is to one-up them.
You mean like when he also rated the hotness of Liz Hurley and I died a little bit inside?
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BenWilson, in reply to
Can we please get rid of this clown already?!
No chance of that during an election year.
Personally, I've never ceased to be bitter on the man since he introduced student fees.
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3410,
No chance of that during an election year.
Tell that to Geoff Palmer. ;)
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BenWilson, in reply to
Tell that to Geoff Palmer. ;)
True. What I should have said is "No chance of that if Labour wants to win the election".
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James Butler, in reply to
You mean like when he also rated the hotness of Liz Hurley and I died a little bit inside?
Exactly. I'm thinking of starting a sweepstakes - next time a minister says something particularly vile, and a quorum of Kiwiblog commenters agree with it, how long until Phil Goff pipes up with a "me too, only bigger!!!"?
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Civilian NZDF or service employees are only subject to the Armed Forces Discipline Act when the unit they are working for is on "active service". A civvie sent to Afghanistan, such as a member of Willie Apiata's PR team, probably would be. A librarian in Trentham wouldn't.
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Rex Widerstrom, in reply to
For the record, Phil, the correct response is: "I didn't really mean it. My anger over the situation caused me misspeak"
But that doesn't occur to you if you didn't really mean it in the first place. I didn't condemn Whaleoil for his "looters should be gutshot" post because it was obviously prompted by honestly felt anger - anger most of us feel when confronted with behaviour so abhorrent that it offends our deeply held values.
The response is visceral - straight from gut to mouth, bypassing our brains. We're humans, it happens sometimes.
But this wasn't that. I suspected - and his "I was joking" excuse confirms, at least to me - that Goff now has no values beyond the attaintment and retention of power and that his response wasn't visceral, it was calculated. And indeed he's so far removed from being able to respond genuinely that the obvious, and acceptable-under-the-circumstances, response, "I was overcome by anger" doesn't even occur to him.
Of course Key is made from the same mould... as are many contemporary politicians.
Or to put it another way... if Norm Kirk had seen his patch devastated by a quake and then seen some citizens robbing others, he'd probably have called for them to be shot too. But we'd have believed that came from the heart, and forgiven him.
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3410,
Oh, God! You could be right, Rex.
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And the sad thing is that while Goff flounders around trying to please people, Lianne Dalziel and Brendon Burns are showing what being an Opposition MP should be about.
Dalziel actually uttered a unfortunately violent phrase about Ken Ring to the Herald, but it hasn't become an issue. I suspect this neatly bears out Rex's point. It passes because she is clearly and authentically mad as hell.
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3410,
but it hasn't become an issue
Well, now it will.
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I realise I’m probably just stating the bleedin’ obvious here, and I’m certainly no expert on this stuff, but it seems to me that Labour’s biggest problem is that its next leader hasn’t been elected to Parliament yet. Any leadership change prior to the election, perhaps even immediately after it, will surely only be an interim measure, and the post-Clark period of transition looks likely to last at least one more term unless something extraordinary happens.
Let’s face it, it is going to take a monumental cock-up of unprecedented proportions for National to lose this year ... just imo. Yep, full of the joys of Friday, me.
(A bit gutted, as a Wellingtonian (does Raumati count?) to have missed last night’s event ... maybe next time when I’ve exchanged my lurker ‘L’ plate for a full participant’s licence.) -
Bart Janssen, in reply to
meh to be really cycnical the election is in November, nothing that happens before July will matter a damn.
That said I can't see based on current performance that National will lose this nor that Labour will win it, but current performance is irrelevant, it's just those last 5 months that matter to the short term memory of the the public.
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