Hard News: Bishop Brian: It's worse than you think
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Susannah Shepherd, in reply to
Putting it another way: would you think it ok if the Battersea Dog's Home or the NZ Govt hired you on the basis of your willingness to give them back 10% of your gross pay?
Not really, particularly if it were the government... But the original point was about whether it was OK for Destiny to make some profit out of a government contract, not whether they are exploiting their members. The answer is still yes (to both). If Destiny members are dumb enough to pay thousands each to keep the bish in hair gel, suits and McMansions and are doing it willingly, that's not the contracting organisation's problem.
It could only be an issue for the government as contracting agency if there's evidence the staff are being coerced to pay tithes in return for a job, but my assumption is that if they've chosen to join Destiny, they've pretty much signed up to hand over their cash regardless of where they work.
Your scenario is an employment issue between employer and employee, and I'd be very surprised if Destiny is the only third-party provider of government services (religious charity, iwi organisation, family business etc.) that preferentially employs its own. And I'll bet some of those other religious organisations also expect tithing, although the level of social pressure might be somewhat lower.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
I do recall telling the truth being quite high on the list of stuff good Christians were supposed to do.
And more to the point, I suspect most faith-based or church affiliated social service contractors are scrupulous about their legal obligations and survive being audited up the wazoo -- as they should.
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I tend to think Destiny church are a cult.
Brian Tamaki is a ‘god appointed bishop’?.
God told him to start a church and be the bishop?.
Cult spotters basic 101 – A leader who has a direct line to ‘god’ ……… what else is god going to tell them ????? …… it always seems to lead to trouble.
I don’t have much to do with the salvation army but it seems they do reach down and help the hopelessly fucked amongst us. I’ve often thought they, the various ‘city missions’ and others who help feed and shelter our community’s lost causes should be financially supported by an increase in the excise tax on the drug piss …… which is a direct cause of so much of their work.
Christians like most religious people do seem overly judgmental tho ….
But then how else do they differentiate between we damned ones and gods happy clappers? …
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andin, in reply to
"We work in secret, we exist in shadow. And we dress in black."
Sorta like Will Smiths songwriting “team” on it. Yeah awright Im taking a cheap shot. Who gives a fuck about god when there is funk like this around to be recycled endlessly with new lyrics. You go Will. Just dance folks.
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While flicking past tv3 this AM, saw the Bish correcting what some "commentators" had said with regard to what God told Moses. The commentator was an OT author.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
Cult spotters basic 101 – A leader who has a direct line to ‘god’
Like the Pope?
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recordari, in reply to
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Sorry about that.You mean this?
Harder to relate to Density though. Love that bassline, and used to love dancing to this also.Like the Pope?
Apparently the Dalai Lama thinks that's not our problem.
"God exists or God does not exist. Leave it for us. Your task is to learn how to live peacefully."
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bmk, in reply to
I tend to think Destiny church are a cult.
To me the only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of believers.
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nzlemming, in reply to
Religions start out as cults.
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Susannah Shepherd, in reply to
And more to the point, I suspect most faith-based or church affiliated social service contractors are scrupulous about their legal obligations and survive being audited up the wazoo -- as they should.
Yes, I think that's likely.
I haven't worked on the issues for the community and voluntary sector for many years now, but certainly back in the mid '00s I know there was plenty of disgruntlement in the sector because the staffing component of any contract was always way less that it would have cost the government in payroll to do the job itself.
Even if these service providers are turning modest profits, I doubt many are making big bucks out of it. That's the territory of consultants...
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bmk, in reply to
Religions start out as cults.
Exactly and once the cult has enough followers they become a religion and have all these rights that cults don't have. IMO they should be treated equally.
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andin, in reply to
You mean this?
damn my incompetence.... yes
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And Holmes has just pulled a Lhaws. What's next, coloured triangles?
(Hat tip to the Dimpost.)
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recordari, in reply to
Holmes has just pulled a Lhaws.
Jesus H Christ!
If he is somehow the voice of a section of society, then we need to sanctify a God pronto so they can help us all.
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andin, in reply to
sanctify a God
EH?
Thats bound to lead to more trouble than its worth.
Little druggie Paul has been on this journey from wild youth to senile old duffer for a while now. Pity is, the endpart will be public and done in private, amongst the olives. I think he lost something along the way. Decorum?Sanity? something like that.... -
recordari, in reply to
Thats bound to lead to more trouble than its worth.
You're so literal. I believe I was being facetious. But I'll keep practising until I get it down Pâté.
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andin, in reply to
You're so literal
Only when it comes to imaginary figures.
And I hope your not causing suffering to geese in your culinary adventures.
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recordari, in reply to
And I hope your not causing suffering to geese in your culinary adventures.
No more than they deserve. Filthy little vermin.
<still being facetious - mostly>
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Sacha, in reply to
Dave Armstrong knocks it out of the park in today's DomPost
Brilliant - smart and funny.
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Sacha, in reply to
And Holmes has just pulled a Lhaws
Salient point in the comments - why doesn't the blathering narcissist take a look in the mirror before he goes on about poor parenting?
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Still, the Black Panthers did the
same salute I guess.The Black Panthers had arguably better social programmes - Breakfasts for Children, alleviation of poverty, etc...
Destiny are barely making a fist of it... -
recordari, in reply to
Brilliant - smart and funny.
+1
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The pope Giovanni ..................... is the anti-christ ....... thats the word from the seventh day adventists.
And good christian folk like that would'nt lie.
They are all cultish.
But then again they do seem to fill a need for some people.
Some flaw in human nature seems to leave people suceptible to this kind of exploitive nonsense.
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Off-topic, but Steve Braunias has an entertaining crack at political slash-fic set at Paul Henry's bach and featuring a confused Darren Hughes and a visitor to Hawkes Bay.
"Lick it all up," she said.
"Mmmmm," I said.
She put the spoon in her own mouth, and sucked it.
The curtains were parted. I could see moonlight on the black sea. Paul played a Simply Red CD in the lounge. Inbetween the songs, I heard the surf crash, and run its fingers along the sand.
"If you don't know me by now," Mick Hucknall sang.
"What we're doing is wrong," I said.
"I'm over 18," she said.
"But you're a woman," I said.
"And you're a man," she said.
"You will never, ever know me," Mick Hucknall sang.
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