Hard News: "Creative" and "Flexible"
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oppresive and bullying ?... harden up bro.
everyone paying for a classical music station for people who dont give a shit about it is way worse than dance music for people who cant dance.
I'm not asking you to pay for my musical taste but you seem to think it is your privilege that i pay for yours based on some outmoded ideal of higher arts and culture ?
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Bye.
just dont forget to take your ass i handed back to you in shreds.
kthnx
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the dominant disc format may not always be with us--something to do with the inadequacy of the glue holding the layers together.
Best estimates (ones that seem to have used a reasonably scientific methodology) give modern CDs/ DVDs you burn yourself 5 to 10 useable years, commercially pressed ones 50 to 100 years (assuming they are kept out of sunlight etc).
Delamination- problems with the bonding near the edge of a disk, can be more of a problem with cheaper disks.
Not that there will be machines to put them in 20 years from now. -
just dont forget to take your ass i handed back to you in shreds.
You were a step up from Danyl, but don't flatter yourself mate.
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so why should my one dollar subsidise your altruistic fetish ? how about user pays then ? a paid subscription to indulge your particular tastes ? whats it worth to you ? Try getting a facebook campaign to implement a license fee as they do in Finland to subsidise public broadcasting and you'll be dealing with the proverbial cup of cold sick.
Sigh ... we used to have a broadcast licence fee, until the late 90s. Now it's bundled into general taxation.
I pay for loads of things I don't personally use via my taxes. It's part of living in a civilised society.
It's also quite efficient.
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When I was at high school, punk rock happened. We cut our hair and affected working-class English accents when we sang. It changed my life, and it led directly to a popular music culture that we regard as our own, and which inspired kids in America when they picked up guitars.
... Aaaaaaand here's Seattle rockers Kinski, performing a little song y'all might know ...
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I'm not asking you to pay for my musical taste but you seem to think it is your privilege that i pay for yours based on some outmoded ideal of higher arts and culture ?
Where do you think your music came from? It wasn't invented in a lab. Music is a continuing tradition that goes back millennia. Whatever it is to which you are listening today, it is the product of that tradition. Ideas of notation, melody, harmony, rhythm and so on have been developed over centuries. We could not be where we are today without what had happened before us. You may not like the music played on Concert, but you owe it an awful lot.
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Ideas of notation, melody, harmony, rhythm and so on have been developed over centuries. We could not be where we are today without what had happened before us. You may not like the music played on Concert, but you owe it an awful lot.
Yes, and again Nina Simone said it so well, I just don't have the reference for that. And when she auditioned for the Curtis school she was turned down on account of the fact that she didn't look like a classical pianist - both in that she was a woman and in that she was black. To me having a non-commercial, cheaply run classical radio station available up and down the country means also enabling a key part of our musical tradition to retain a popular audience, so that people who look like Nina Simone and come from her sort of background can be exposed to it. Closing the station would help fulfill the fantasy that many people have here that it is in fact a genre for white rich folk.
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Danyl, Kyle, Craig, et al.
I'm struck by the assumption that some high art can justly be funded and some can't.
Paintings are, apparently, all good. Our national collection is housed at Te Papa, which cost $300 million (or 60 years' operating budget for Concert FM) to build, and $36 million annual to run. And that's just one public gallery/museum.
So why is art music different? Again, given its place the cultural ecosystem (it also makes important recordings for broadcast, for example) the $5m for Concert (compared to the $80m for TV alone) seems fair value.
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Serious question: Does Nina Simone get much air time on ConcertFM?
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I'm not asking you to pay for my musical taste ...
Whether you're asking or not, your taste in music does get funded by my taxes, to the tune of $5.6m annually plus chunks of the radio and TV budgets.
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Whatever i owe it, i've paid back in spades but why should i keep paying for something i dont use or like ? If you like it and use it then you pay for it. Do a whip round at the office. Start a paypal donation site, get out on the streets with a bucket.
These are tough times and it's all about living within your means innit ? If RNZ cant do that then maybe they should drop the net based aspect or drop the radio aspect or cut staff or reduce wages or time on air or move to cheaper digs or whatever.
I dont think they're particularly hard done by or that its as valuable a service as it used to be in this day and age.
haha...yeah Russell, I remember as a kid when the license person used to come around asking if we had a TV and why we hadn't paid the fee ?
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As Giovanni says, Nina Simone said it so well:
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Does Nina Simone get much air time on ConcertFM?
That's not so much the point. The point is that the music that she loved and helped form her does.
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your taste in music does get funded by my taxes, to the tune of $5.6m annually plus chunks of the radio and TV budgets.
how so ? i dont listen to radio at all and rarely watch music TV, but when i do i've yet to see a dubstep music vid or NZoA/CNZ funding towards contemporary instrumental electronic music ?
we all know a blind eye is turned towards electronica sans vox unless it's some experimental avant garde high art wank by a mate of some funding assessor.
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Whatever i owe it, i've paid back in spades but why should i keep paying for something i dont use or like ? If you like it and use it then you pay for it
Don Brash would be so proud! And to think I'm not allowed to use the word "neoliberal".
As Giovanni says, Nina Simone said it so well:
Christ that's such a beautiful piece. Too bad it's ruined by the eurocentric piano.
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The name Douglas Lilburn springs to mind:
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The point is that the music that she loved and helped form her does.
Much as I love Nina Simone I'm still lost as to why New Zealand taxpayers should fund a radio station to play music that she may have liked for years after her death. We live in different worlds.
I'm struck by the assumption that some high art can justly be funded and some can't.
Paintings are, apparently, all good. Our national collection is housed at Te Papa, which cost $300 million (or 60 years' operating budget for Concert FM) to build, and $36 million annual to run. And that's just one public gallery/museum.
So why is art music different? Again, given its place the cultural ecosystem (it also makes important recordings for broadcast, for example) the $5m for Concert (compared to the $80m for TV alone) seems fair value.
Well, you know I'd slash fuding for TVNZ and just pay for Maori TV. Re Te Papa/paintings, I'd argue that works by Charles Goldie and Peter McIntyre are somewhat more relevant to our nation than the Well Tempered Clavier.
There are regular exhibitions around the country of European art works but they tend to be funded by the twin demons of sponsorship and visitor fees.
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Closing the station would help fulfill the fantasy that many people have here that it is in fact a genre for white rich folk.
Absolutely. I've never quite understood the joy with which some on the "anti-elitist" Left attack "high culture," while simultaneously championing "pop" as the unerring and righteous "voice of the people." I guess the reasoning is that pop is, well, popular and people seem to like it ... so it must be good. Virtuous, even.
What this totally ignores is the extent to which pop is an industry -- a top-down system in which prefabricated tastes are imposed from above. (Adorno was right dammit.) Meanwhile, while we all play this "shoot-at-the-evil-Ludwig-van-Beethoven" shell game, the actual elites (Sony, TimeWarner, etc. etc.) get away with handing us our culture -- and ass -- on a plate. Which we then also get to pay for. One could get quite depressed.
ETA: OK, I see that Giovanni's more eloquently addressed the point that a viewpoint like Robbie's is actually a rather draconian form of market fundamentalism. Get with the program. (Not programme.) Dubstep dubstep dubstep. TINA, indeed.
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Don Brash would be so proud! And to think I'm not allowed to use the word "neoliberal".
C'mon bro you can do better that that ! make a case why i should subsidise classical music at the expense of other forms and i won't mind ?
FWIW i loves me the eurocentic piano. it usually adds value :)
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Much as I love Nina Simone I'm still lost as to why New Zealand taxpayers should fund a radio station to play music that she may have liked for years after her death. We live in different worlds.
Years after her death? Yes, that would be seven years this coming April. Meanwhile, she was a church organist growing up, so the music she played was already centuries old, yet she seemed to think it was formative for a modern performer and composer all right.
Really the ignorance you are displaying in this thread is quite staggering.
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It's like the market populists are stuck in a perpetual 1966. But, hey, I guess the Maoists did have the coolest uniforms.
I should totally go to bed now.
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make a case why i should subsidise classical music at the expense of other forms and i won't mind ?
I am not your monkey.
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I'm struck by the assumption that some high art can justly be funded and some can't.
It is inevitable though. We can't have all the art, so that decision is constantly being made. The differences are just about which art, and how much funding.
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Is there much gospel music on ConcertFM?
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