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  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    since August 2013 is only last year, so that's not really very long; and saying it's "never discussed the matter with Carrick Graham" is still not the categorical denial I'm looking for. It would be very easy to say "please manage our social media presence however you think best" without discussing how that was going to be achieved. Most importantly, they haven't offered any explanation for why Carrick Graham was tweeting positive statements about them, which I somehow don't think he'd just do out of the goodness of his heart. (He works for Big Tobacco, therefore he has no heart, let alone one with any goodness in it).

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 580 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to SHG,

    Seriously, do you realise how laughably bizarro-world implausible that is? It couldn't get any nuttier if you introduced the Illuminati or TEH MOLE MEN.

    Sometimes the truth can kick people in the balls. Denial is the last refuge of the red-handed.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5410 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    For the Watergate comparisons to work, we'll need ...

    - a newspaper proprietor and a strong editor who are committed to investigative journalism

    - members of the governing party who see what is wrong and break ranks to speak out

    - independent legal authorities who put the law above politics, even if it means getting fired by political masters

    We certainly don't have the first two (yet), the third remains to be seen.

    And Nixon got 61% of the vote after Watergate.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1298 posts Report Reply

  • pohutukawa tree, in reply to Richard Grevers,

    When you have a low-traffic website on shared hosting ...

    Slater strikes me as a technological novice, which leads to a whole range of other possibilities:
    - he inadvertently revealed his Gmail password to somebody
    - somebody bought his old computer with the data just "deleted" (not wiped)
    - somebody socially engineered their way into his computer(s)
    - he lost his Time Machine backup drive, or sold it without having wiped it properly
    - he inadvertently made his dropbox/google drive publicly available
    - his IT support are convincing actors with some sense of fairness/moral fibre
    - (millions of other possibilities here)

    Since Jul 2014 • 11 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    - his password was "whaileoil" or "IloveJudith"

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2600 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Danyl has been polarised by reading Dirty Politics.

    There’s no one comparable to Slater on the left of politics, or blogging. He is a phenomenon unique to the National Party. Key can insist that this is all just a lie, just a conspiracy story, but people who read the book know that this is simply documentation from Slater’s emails and that the Prime Minister is lying to their faces.
    ...

    Whatever the wider implications, the book has had a profound effect on me, personally. Something that doesn’t come across in the news coverage about Dirty Politics, and Cameron Slater, Jason Ede, Jordan Williams, Simon Lusk et al is just how fucking awful these people are. They spend their lives trying to poison and contaminate our politics. They enjoy seeing people suffer. They get excited by the idea of breaking up the marriages of their political enemies and ruining their lives. And John Key stands up and bleats about how everything they do is fine, and the people on the left are the nasty ones. Fuck him.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19633 posts Report Reply

  • pohutukawa tree, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    - his password was "whaileoil" or "IloveJudith"

    This is probable more likely than people would believe.

    Since Jul 2014 • 11 posts Report Reply

  • Mike Graham,

    He knows about security so it's probably "Il0veJud1th"

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • pohutukawa tree, in reply to Mike Graham,

    He knows about security so it's probably "Il0veJud1th"

    Yeah, that's good. Thank you.

    Actually, he knows about security guards. Not their job, but who they're screwing, which hand they wipe their butts with, whether they wash their hands or not, etcetera.

    Since Jul 2014 • 11 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    Whatever the wider implications, the book has had a profound effect on me, personally. Something that doesn’t come across in the news coverage about Dirty Politics, and Cameron Slater, Jason Ede, Jordan Williams, Simon Lusk et al is just how fucking awful these people are. They spend their lives trying to poison and contaminate our politics.

    I've been dwelling on this too. When I got off the plane in Christchurch yesterday, having read most of the book on the flight from Auckland, I actually felt shocked at how hideous these people had been shown to be. Like Danyl, I think the book has had a significant impact on me. I've been on civil terms with some people in the wider circle. I'm not sure I have it in me to do that any more. Fuck them.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22712 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I had typed a long response but I subsequently deleted that in favour of a simple:

    +1

    Thanks, Russell.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    I'm not sure if this is new information, but it looks pretty stark today: Bevan Chuang on Slater's "Story of the Year" .

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3886 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    civil

    the word Farrar incited while blocking me after myself and the current Privacy Commisioner challenged him on his conduct immmediately after lawyer Greg King's suicide. Entitled scumbag.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19633 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I'm not sure I have it in me to do that any more. Fuck them.

    a fair response. we're not obliged to waste energy on moral turds.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19633 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Sjorn,

    I am finding now in conversations, usually with work colleagues, even more so than normal, if it is political and there is a person defending National, I just have to get up.and leave otherwise I WILL get too wound up and probably end up saying something they will find offensive. I mean how can people just let the country crash and burn like this? How does this happen? Don't we have movies showing us what is good and bad?Another poll with National way ahead and I am just beyond despair. I feel like completely disengaging because it all seems so hopeless.

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2013 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • Caleb D'Anvers,

    Another poll with National way ahead and I am just beyond despair. I feel like completely disengaging because it all seems so hopeless.

    But that’s the point of these polls and the way they’re reported. They never (or very rarely) predict the actual share of votes in elections. That’s not what they’re for. Their main function is exactly to suppress turnout and encourage apathy and hopelessness. So don’t disengage: that’s what the pollsters want you to do.

    London SE16 • Since Mar 2008 • 482 posts Report Reply

  • TracyMac,

    The trouble with wankers like these is that they believe us leftie liberals are just the same behind closed doors (well, some of us are), and the inclusive "PC" language and blather is exactly that. Blather, and but a deeply-held political stance.

    People like that believe we'd be just as opportunist as them, given the chance, but with an extra helping of hypocrisy. Given some members of the leftie parliamentary parties, they might be excused a small degree of confusion, but they think we're all that way.

    And on the other side, I know there are National voters who genuinely believe in small-c conservative principles. But the current culture for the main players can only be described as toxic.

    Canberra, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 701 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Littlewood, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Like Danyl, I think the book has had a significant impact on me. I’ve been on civil terms with some people in the wider circle. I’m not sure I have it in me to do that any more. Fuck them.

    After reading the book, I really wonder who was really responsible for Whaleoil's series of repugnant posts on Tania Billingsley. It seems consistent with the stuff he was constantly being fed and passing off as his own.

    It's pretty bloody appalling, really.

    Today, Tomorrow, Timaru • Since Jan 2007 • 445 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Just hopefully there are some decent National Party people who read the book and find this behaviour as shocking and dirty as we do. Maybe they will try to reclaim their party just as we are trying to reclaim democracy.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3183 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Simon Sjorn,

    Another poll with National way ahead and I am just beyond despair. I feel like completely disengaging because it all seems so hopeless.

    If I'm not much mistaken, it was collected right before Dirty Politics came out. All the same, is Dirty Politics truly a game breaker, or just preaching to the choir? Even if it's the latter, it might just motivate undecided Left voters into becoming not so undecided Left voters.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5410 posts Report Reply

  • cindy baxter, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    If I'm not much mistaken, it was collected right before Dirty Politics came out. All the same, is Dirty Politics truly a game breaker, or just preaching to the choir? Even if it's the latter, it might just motivate undecided Left voters into becoming not so undecided Left voters.

    Yup, before the book. However, I fear there is some truth in this quote by Simon Lusk (in the book, and repeated by Gordon Campbell):

    “There are a few basic propositions with negative campaigning that are worth knowing about. It lowers turnout, favours right more than left as the right continues to turn out, and drives away the independents.’ In short, many people stop participating in politics. If politicians cannot be trusted, if politics looks like a petty or ugly game, and if no one seems to be talking about the things that matter, then what’s the point of bothering to participate? Just leave them to it.

    http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2014/08/14/gordon-campbell-on-nicky-hagers-new-book/#more-3459

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • ChrisW,

    This enhanced vox pops from the streets of Papakura, Christchurch and Wellington on Campbell Live last night might provide some encouragement. Setting aside the closed minds certain of their knowledge from that nice Mr Key and his enablers, there look to be good numbers interested in engaging with the subject when given a chance, and likely to shift their vote, quite sufficient to make a decisive difference.

    I’m hopeful Nicky Hager will release the evidential material, no more than one chapter’s worth at a time, over the next few weeks.

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • Graham Dunster,

    It seems that there are similar issues on the other side of the Tasman with the democratic order being adjudged of less value than the profits of the few - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/wayne-swan-warns-rise-business-oligarchs-new-book-good-fight?CMP=ema_632. Maybe we're not so different, after all.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2009 • 184 posts Report Reply

  • JLM,

    I'm looking for the Dirty Politics webpage, which I looked at on Wednesday, but it seems to be swamped by all the other stuff in google and I can't find it again. Can someone post a link for me?

    I haven't finished my kindle copy yet - have to pace the outrage - but I hope they publish most of the chapter about Carrick Graham in a Sunday paper. Even an overseas one would be good. I think this story is bigger than our little corner.

    Judy Martin's southern sl… • Since Apr 2007 • 239 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to JLM,

    I’m looking for the Dirty Politics webpage, [--snip--] Can someone post a link for me?

    This one?

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

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