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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • SHG,

    What if I went nowhere near the wide-open Labour house and just told Google to send me copies of the copies that it had made?

    nup • Since Oct 2010 • 77 posts Report Reply

  • Sue, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    a Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction type of cleaner?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 527 posts Report Reply

  • Amanda Wreckonwith, in reply to SHG,

    If the Nats try this defence then KDC may have something to say about the things he is accused of...
    This pinhead's getting a bit small eh.

    Since Sep 2012 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve,

    I was particularly impressed by The Paul Henry Show's choice of speed-reading reviewer... A lobbyist. An excellent choice for an impartial review...

    http://www.sul.co.nz/page/charles-finny.aspx

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to cindy baxter,

    ” there was also a considerable amount of very personal information about relationships and other subjects, where the right to privacy outweighs any public interest. This material has not been included in the book and will not be passed to others. The fact that Slater and his associates have made a career of exposing the very private details of other people’s lives does not make it right to do that to them.”

    Jesus fucking Christ, is Hagar expecting a medal made out of warm cookie dough? He was perfectly happy to receive "a considerable amount of very personal information" and, sorry, I just don't believe he was the only person who read it. If you're going to shit on people's privacy, just cut the flesh-crawling sanctimony and get on with it.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Meyers, in reply to William Leander,

    All that is required is that the access was done ‘knowing that he or she is not authorised’.

    I expect it is more complicated than that. Showing access won't be enough. You would also need to show the mens rea, the guilty mind. This would be a lot more difficult than just showing some server logs. And how do you show that someone knows they are not authorised to view something.

    I'm pretty much of the opinion that I'm authorised to see anything easily accessible on the internet. I think you'd struggle to convince a court otherwise.

    Wellington • Since May 2014 • 56 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    And how do you show that someone knows they are not authorised to view something.

    Assuming there was supposed to be a question mark after that sentence, you quote what they said about it afterwards.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • cindy baxter,

    @Dylan

    Yup, Paul Henry's "speedreader" was recently appointed by Steven Joyce to chair the Board of Education, and he's a Director of NZTE.

    That Paul Henry utterly failed to mention anything other than Charles Finny's speed reading qualifications, when Finny went on to say that the book would "not change one vote" was quite something.

    here's finny's profile on LinkedIn
    http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/charles-finny/31/a58/7b1

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Jesus fucking Christ, is Hagar expecting a medal made out of warm cookie dough? He was perfectly happy to receive “a considerable amount of very personal information” and, sorry, I just don’t believe he was the only person who read it. If you’re going to shit on people’s privacy, just cut the flesh-crawling sanctimony and get on with it.

    Well, why not!? I’m sure that the personal information he received would be sufficient to destroy a number of people and yet UNLIKE Slater & his mates in Cabinet, he’s not plotting how best to use it but rather treating it ethically and disposing it. You’re protesting too loud, mate.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    A first run through finished at 11-15pm. Footnotes are a good read too!!

    Crusher will be a wee bit concerned.

    It was fascinating to read of the internal factions skulling it out in the selection processes. I fear I must be quite naive to think that this shit only happens on the left. Even more fascinated that the MSM have a field day ripping the left factions apart and manage to leave the right completely untouched.

    I am no longer naive.

    But the corporate shenanigans make frightful reading. Although when these groups made their views heard a few alarm bells did sound in the tiny brain. The small NZ assoc of convenience stores was a cracker! The anti breast feeders was shocking.

    Henry tonight was right into the leak and forget about the message. TV1 jaw boner was into the fight likening Hagars tactics to be the same as what he was writing about!!

    Farrar responding with Rule 1,2 and 3: Deny Deny Deny.

    PM. (nay his spokesman) says: “Most people know that Nicky Hager is a screaming left-wing conspiracy theorist.”

    So we watch this space…..

    And oh...fancy that...Slater just happens to be "out of the country"......

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1589 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Ross Mason,

    And oh…fancy that…Slater just happens to be “out of the country"……

    In Korea. Or is it Israel?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve, in reply to Hebe,

    In Korea. Or is it Israel?

    Yeah, that's bloody weird. In his initial post about the book he definitely said he'd just arrived in Israel. Now it reads Korea.

    It seems hard to confuse the two - could it have been some sort of crazy Autocorrect freakout if he was writing on his cellphone?

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Any law that requires a judge to decide how hard it was to hack a system in order to decide if it was illegal is probably fatally flawed - "oh that one was easy, it must be legal, that one was hard you did wrong. "

    The law as written is written well - really it's the taking that's illegal, and the problem not so much the actual how you took it. If I leave my front door wide open and you come and take my TV it's still theft.

    Rifling through the Labour party's computer was obviously illegal, even if it was easy (I don't think any of us think Slater has mad hakr skillz - apparently he doesn't know how to secure his own stuff).

    But equally the people who took his emails also did something illegal too - the fact that they did this doesn't make Slater's behaviour any less illegal.

    More interesting is "is it legal for Nicky Hagar to publish this stuff?" a great question - there's an obvious public interest in the existence of a crime being published - if he'd just turned the evidence over to the cops I guess it would be OK, would they have understood what it meant without his exposition?

    Hagar made a great point on TV tonight - essentially his lawyer seems to think he's on safe solid ground because it's largely against the best interests of the people he's exposed to go to court and have everything exposed - which I assume means there's more stuff in the emails he wasn't comfortable publishing but would come out if they ever hit the court

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    In olden days a hint of hacking
    Was looked on as something shocking
    But now, Heaven knows,
    Anything goes.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Marc C, in reply to Dylan Reeve,

    Hah, I was just going to post the same:

    http://www.sul.co.nz/page/charles-finny.aspx

    NO "king hit" in the book, nothing much worth taking note of, and it would not change one vote in the coming election, Mr Charles Finny commented.

    Paul Henry does of course always choose "independent" and "neutral" experts and commenters to appear on his show, does he not???

    From the 'Saunders Unsworth' (Government Relations Consultants) website:

    "Charles joined the team at Saunders Unsworth in 2010 after five and half years as CEO of the Wellington Regional Chamber of Commerce. Prior to that Charles had a wide range of experience in government working for the Prime Ministers Department, Department of Trade and Industry and Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade. His particular areas of expertise are China, US politics and trade policy, Australia, Asia and international trade."

    Maybe Nicky Hager can start right away on the next book, called "Dirty Media", I may suggest?!

    Akl • Since Oct 2012 • 437 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe,

    Clearly if you're a National party member or employee accessing confidential Labour Party data, that' a criminal act because you know you're not meant to be in there. End of.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Cleaners on midnight till 6am.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • Marc C,

    Further to my comment above, re Charles Finny, he was also chief negotiator for the NZ China FTA (2004 to 2005), so when we discuss sales of land to Mainland Chinese companies and investors, perhaps remember what was also the result of those negotiations:

    http://www.chinafta.govt.nz/1-The-agreement/2-Text-of-the-agreement/12-Chapt-11-Investment/index.php

    Look at articles 138 and 139 perhaps.

    Mr Finny as a supposed impartial "speed reader" and reviewer of Hagar's book on the Paul Henry Show last night must really be very "expert" and qualified for giving such book reviews.

    The politically right leaning spin masters are already working overtime to discredit Hagar's book!

    Akl • Since Oct 2012 • 437 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve,

    Picking Finney as their speed reader was just insane really. I mean his entire livelihood is dependent on maintaining a good relationship with government - his interest could hardly be more conflicted unless he were actually named in the book.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Dylan Reeve,

    unless he were actually named in the book.

    * checks index *

    Nope ;)

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to SHG,

    Oh yay, theft analogies.

    How about if the person makes a duplicate of whatever he finds and leaves the original behind?

    In which case it's not theft, but infringement, at least that's what copyright law stipulates.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Hebe,

    Cleaners on midnight till 6am.

    Because all that leaking Whale Oil is going rancid.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • Matt Crawford,

    There's so much dirt in there, it's overwhelming. I am eagerly anticipating many direct probing questions of our PM over the coming weeks.

    Beyond that, Hagar's conclusion is brilliant - an acknowledgement that our 4th estate has simply failed to hold the powerful to account. His solution is funded public broadcasting and political parties.

    Watching Mike Hosking's "nothing to see here" at 7pm on our state broadcaster just underlines how dire things are - a partisan hocking light-ent masquerading as current affairs. Seven Sharp has even promoted Slater with Heather DPA's long colour piece on Slater. She simply failed to provide any sort of useful function beyond building the Slater brand and misinforming voters about our democracy.
    And this, the flagship primetime show on our state broadcaster.


    Brighter future, everyone.

    Wellington • Since Dec 2006 • 58 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to stephen clover,

    You’re protesting too loud, mate.

    And you're tone policing -- cut it out. R.S. Surtees is at least a hundred years out of fashion, but he was onto something when he said the man who is always talking about being a gentleman never is one.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Stuart Munro, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    It may in part be a way of saying "don't come after my people, blubber boy."

    Seoul • Since May 2014 • 2 posts Report Reply

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