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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • simon g,

    That interview on 'The Nation' was really poor. A series of assertions, barely challenged by the interviewer. Simon Shepherd even let Collings bring in his stupid sign to hold up for the cameras. Failed Professional Journalism 101.

    And I don't give a damn what any party insider said privately to another insider. If you didn't tell the voters, you and your suddenly convenient "concerns" can fuck right off.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1324 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    wasn’t party hierarchy

    It’s all much of a muchness from where I sit, in a ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ sense. Thank you for sharing. Certainly Simpson’s effort there was nothing to sneeze at:

    Simpson: Yes, but it depends on when we – in the sense of the viewers – just get bored with it. Basically, what we’re hearing is that this man can’t be trusted. So that’s what’s coming through, versus, sort of, secret, recorded, hidden tape recordings, blah blah blah. It’s like, ‘Well, actually, we don’t trust you.’

    and may turn out to be quite prescient:

    So if you want to remove rot from within Parliament…Bit of a media circus over the next couple of weeks, and then it just slowly dies down, and he just goes into oblivion.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Neil,

    a great disservice to mental health.

    Also this.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108009753/jamilee-ross-taken-into-mental-health-care
    a telling paragraph:

    He is now being supported by a small group of friends including political consultant Simon Lusk and right wing blogger Cameron Slater, aka Whaleoil, it is understood.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7892 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    If Ross has been admitted under the mental health act Labour Party supporters should still stop shitting on mental health professionals by questioning if this was a stitch up by National.

    It just is not possible and anyone with any concern for our mental health system would know that.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to simon g,

    That interview on ‘The Nation’ was really poor.

    I agree. I also think the Newsroom piece by Melanie Reid was really poor. I was disheartened to see the use of "anonymous" reports in respect of matters regarding sex between consenting adults. Just as the use of non-disclosure agreements is dreadful behaviour by organisations dealing with bullying/harassment complaints - they leave perpetrators in place.

    The MP who had an affair with Ross, identified him in the Melanie Reid report - yet she was given anonymity (and again by Newstalk ZB when he named her - they bleeped out that name).

    Only Ross' wife and children suffered the public indignity. It was a Newsroom article that I just felt very uncomfortable about. Trumpian/US style reporting - a place I guess I'd rather not see NZ media and NZ politics go.

    But it did go there and now someone has been hospitalized, and who knows what other trauma people and families are suffering.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    He claimed mental illness when he is not unwell

    Ableist armchair diagnoses aside, I’m reluctant to categorically dismiss questions about anomalies in the management of our mental health system as being anything but abslutely vital, and neither is this Government, with good reason.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    Labour supporters showing complete ignorance of mental health and the mental health act and going on about the yellow peril.

    If there’s a problem with the centre right is this some sort of solution? A bit like Corbyn - is that the best the left can do.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to Neil,

    A handful of people ranting on the Standard or Twitter late at night is hardly a fair sample. Nobody has elected them to anything.

    I'm not aware of any Labour or Green MPs giving us their amateur diagnosis over the past week. But words like "psychotic" and "delusional" have been thrown around by National MPs who should know better.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1324 posts Report Reply

  • Neil, in reply to simon g,

    Tomorrow morning I’ll go to work in a stressful acute mental health setting with most likely some Chinese colleagues. I’d like to think Labour has some appreciation of mental health issues and doesn’t think the local Chinese community is some CCP fith column.

    I’m not convinced by recent events.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Simon Lusk and right wing blogger Cameron Slater

    Brings to mind "who needs enemies with friends like these".

    I’m also very much troubled by:

    A National Party spokesman said Ross’ mental health concerns had been “taken seriously” over the past several weeks and medical professionals had been involved.

    “That has included seeking advice from medical professionals and involving police wherever necessary to ensure support is made available to Mr Ross."

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Yes I agree - at this point I can't really understand why National would still be involved with looking after JLR's health/etc it seems to me that they have an enormous conflict of interest

    I particular it seems to me that the one thing they want to avoid at all costs is him in parliament using parliamentary privilege, after all he knows where all the bodies are buried

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank,

    Toby Manhire's compilation of 33 grenades lobbed by JLR, solid evidence that someone can be extremely potent and effective at the top level of politics despite mental health issues!
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/21-10-2018/100-hours-of-turpitude-jami-lee-rosss-grenades-across-an-incredible-week/

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 292 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    The JLR affair is symptomatic of Dirty Politics going all the way to the highest levels of the guilty parties. It's bordering on GOP-grade underhanded-ness. And yes, let's keep JLR's mental health issues separate from his role in all this.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • Neil, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    And yes, let’s keep JLR’s mental health issues separate from his role in all this.

    Ross made his supposed mental health issues public. He’s used it as defense for his predatory behaviour.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    At present Ross and his supporters are releasing selective information to support his agenda of playing the victim.

    The police can invoke the mental health act to detain and have someone assessed. That does not mean that that person if admitted is admitted under the act.

    And if they are admitted then it is for a period of assessment during which they may or may not be diagnosed with a mental illness.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    He’s currently occupying a bed that could be used for someone who is actually in need of those resources. Someone most likely not a predatory white male with money.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Neil,

    I’ve no idea whether you have a reliable source or whether what you’re dolling out here is unsubstantiated ableism but I’m deeply troubled at your efforts to erase Jami-Lee Matenga Ross’s whakapapa.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    While it can be hard to maintain the proper perspective amid the flurries of the news cycle, I think Chris Trotter and Bryan Gould are right to be concerned.

    I hope a senior member of the legal profession – a senior partner or barrister – will offer the Ross family pro bono assistance and ensure that everything about Mr Ross’ detention is entirely proper.

    Since Nov 2006 • 785 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to simon g,

    Thank goodness nobody reads my comments ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1324 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to simon g,

    I saw that, but you know i’m far too polite and mostly wrong so…

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    While supposedly unwell Ross organises Lusk or Slater to release material hoping to undermine the integrity of the women he harassed and abused.

    My guess is there’s a lot more he’s done that we haven’t heard about yet.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Neil,

    You may be mis-reading who is organising who.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Neil, in reply to Sacha,

    Quite possible.

    There’s been considerable thought given to this strategy of misusing the mental health system to portray Ross as a victim and allow him to continue his odious behaviour.

    Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental illness just as Bipolar Affective Disorder is. But the treatment is considerably different and the relation between the disorder and culpability and responsibility for ones actions can also be considerably different.

    Since Nov 2016 • 356 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    You’ve indicated you have some expertise in this area Neil, yet without qualifying that, your responses appear to be very much in keeping with the populist ableist Trump era pastime of armchair diagnosis, which experts maintain – beyond a clinical setting is an "amateur error" – in some posts you’ve claimed he’s categorically “not unwell” in others you’ve maintained he suffers from NPD – a diagnosis contingent on:

    behaviors also must cause clinically significant distress or impairment.

    Further to that I’m having difficulty consolidating the absolutist idea that there is no way a political party could influence these processes:

    Secondly, there is no way a political party could influence that process. That allegation is a very nasty and ignorant smear against health professionals and does a great disservice to mental health.

    while also maintaining that considerable thought has gone into (one might assume successfully) influencing this process:

    There’s been considerable thought given to this strategy of misusing the mental health system to portray Ross as a victim and allow him to continue his odious behaviour.

    While maintaining that Ross has full agency – which may or may not be the case – your contribuions to this thread have at almost ever point retained an uneven singular focus on Ross himself to the point of distraction from the role the National Party have (by their own admission) played at seemingly every step of the way in faciliating the current state of affairs. Could I ask you to expand on this a little further?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

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