Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Drugs and human rights

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  • Paul Campbell,

    "class traitor" == "I've got mine, screw you" as far as I'm concerned

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Sacha,

    The decision would have been Joyce’s, as was the dogwhistle/unwhistle two-step.

    Yes. I don't think Steven much cares for Paula. She's expendable.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Neil,

    Gangs do play a major role in pushing P into already vulnerable communities.

    not according to Dr Jarrod Gilbert. I don’t suppose you have some new data?

    P is unlike most other drugs in terms of its risks and those making and distributing are knowingly selling misery.

    well, seen as how every other slum lords house apparently has meth contamination, I suspect there might be a lot off drug addicts cooking it up to support there own dependency, and maybe supply there associates. Maybe it’s not all run by Hollywood gangsters. Maybe, “the gangs” grand plan is actually hand to mouth – trying to maintain a staunch looking persona, between serving time in jail.

    But occasionally, a real psychopath, like
    Mark Lyon
    and his association with high profile gang leaders makes dominant news.

    Bennett was wrong to talk of people having less rights but the strategy of coming down hard on manufacture and supply while providing more resources for the victims makes sense to me.

    well it looks like she won you over with her dog whistle, no?

    I’m in favour of legalisation and controlled supply of most drugs . But P has specific risks that put it outside of a purely harm management strategy.

    Any idea what those specific risks are?

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to steven crawford,

    “the gangs” grand plan is actually hand to mouth

    Mostly true. Levitt & Dubner, in Freakonomics Ch.3 “Why Do Drug Dealers Still Live With Their Moms?”, show that gang-related drug trade tends to operate as a pyramid scheme, with most gang members involved barely subsisting, while profits are mostly diverted to the top of the hierarchy. Possibly NZ gangs are more egalitarian than those in Chicago, but even so, the income is not going to support lavish lifestyles for all involved.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1938 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    Bigger picture: once again, National is involved in victim-bashing — in this case, victims of National’s own policy settings making more conventional employment less available and less attractive (e.g. 90-day trials, exceptions to minimum wage…), making education or upskilling harder to access, and making accommodation unaffordable for relatively unskilled young adults, and perverting the welfare system to prioritize cutting benefits over providing meaningful assistance into employment. Surprise, some of those worst affected by this negligent government are gang members. (Which still does not establish that most drugs are supplied by gangs! Rather, gangs are just a conveniently visible “other” minority, from within that marginalized subset of NZ, for bullies like Bennett to attack.)

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1938 posts Report Reply

  • Lynn Yum, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    I object to calling Bennett a "class traitor". Her callousness and vindictiveness is a matter of public record. There is no need for name calling.

    Auckland • Since Dec 2016 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Neil, in reply to steven crawford,

    There’s a well established network of gangs trading in weed and P. Not hard to see how that flow of trade works geographically.

    Any idea what those specific risks are?

    The risks of THC, opiates, E and psychedelics are mainly minor and to the user. They can be mitigated by harm reduction based on quality control and addiction treatment.

    P’s main and common side effect is a paranoid rage that places others in serious risk. Lives are being destroyed by P in a ways that other drugs simply do not do because of the very nature of the drug effects.

    I’m perfectly fine with heroin being legal and there being a regulated supply as the effects of heroin on the user and others are relatively benign. No one gets cut up with swords.

    I’ve seen people come off various drugs. There’s nothing more frightening or heart rendering than watching someone come off a P binge. It is truely the worst type of experience. And then they will have to face the damage they have done to their life, friends and family.

    Since Nov 2016 • 380 posts Report Reply

  • dave stewart,

    Now where have I heard that before ...
    "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

    Since Aug 2014 • 37 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Neil,

    No one gets cut up with swords

    I almost mentioned that as an example of chicken or egg.

    Ps: Egg comes before chicken. Chicken evolved from egg laying lizard:-)

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,


    Today's Tremain

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

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