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  • SteveH, in reply to Yamis,

    If it were true then countries without minimum wages for decades would all be earning shitloads by now since they must have high rates of employment and mass competition. They aren’t. They are by and large earning miserable amounts of money.

    Right. For example:
    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByA2MoNIUAA56EM.png
    That graph is also a bit of a blow for the "trickle-down economics" lie.

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • Marc C, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    I must say that Dotcom did not play such a positive role in it all. He may not have intended harm, but his stage shows, encouraging youth to keep chanting "F*** John Key", his prominence here and there, and his failure to keep his promise to prove Key knew about him before the Mansion raid in January 2012, did not help Internet Mana. Also his calling on on talk back radio to his media enemy Sean Plunket raised more questions than any answers. He has realised he did not contribute well, so that is accepted by me, who has been critical of that deal between Mana, Hone and the new Internet Party financed by Dotcom.

    But I also accept that besides of all that, the media did in large numbers declare war on him, to dig up dirt (3rd Degree last week, the interview with his former bodyguard Tempero), to discredit and harm him. The initial credit the mainstream media gave Kim after the excessive, illegal police and SIS raid did fade, and as of late, he is labeled the enemy.

    And as I am also a migrant from a country that was once not liked by New Zealanders, I know full well the power of labeling undesired migrants, for whatever reasons. As a matter of fact, New Zealanders can be very, very nasty, in their own ways, and the tall poppy syndrome is part of that. So yes, Dotcom did not get fair treatment, his associates suffered the same, and the last few days before the election were nasty, full of attacks against Dotcom and Internet Mana, and John Minto and Laila Harre are quite right in criticising this.

    Dotcom has matters to answer to, but it would in hindsight have been much better, if he had taken a low profile role in the campaign, and as he did not, it all backfired.

    I am afraid though, whatever your position, New Zealand as a people have just proved yet again, that too many here are NOT enlightened, fall for bias, media spin, manipulation, and give credit to a corrupt government, that gets away with too much, while showing the torch at someone who may have done wrong in the past, but who may only be a small part of the whole problems this country should be concerned with.

    If I was a full blooded, born and bred Kiwi with a social conscience, I would feel damned ashamed of the election results.

    Akl • Since Oct 2012 • 437 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Marc C,

    You’re damn right Marc. I had to switch off Maori TV election coverage because one of the commentators insisted on referring to him only as “The German”. That’s a piss poor effort. I agree with everything you have said. It’s disgraceful. New Zealand is a nation of immigrants who usurped the indigenous people (who were also immigrants). 20th century bigotry has had it's time in the sun and it's time New Zealand grew the fuck up.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    I agree Katharine with your viewpoint and there are dirty tricks being used against him. The revelations of the moment of truth guests highlighted this.
    I loved the Eminem law suit irony – hope that works out the way it should.
    I am not deriding Dotcom at all but I think there are too many out there that do hate him just because of who he seems to be portrayed as by those who would like to rid the country of him.
    I too was an expat and agree again with your comment. I lived in the Middle East for 4 years and it was an amazing experience to be surrounded by people NZ’ers may find difficult. I made some wonderful friends from perceived as possibly undesirables here. Most often they were from the low paid exploited labourers.
    I still like to think ( naively perhaps ) that we are accepting people and I was welcomed as being a person in a management role who made time to talk, eat with, befriend and visit the labour camps ( where I was invited – extremely unusual ).
    I must say on return a few years back things have changed somewhat in our welcoming ways.
    Getting back to Kim, it served the purpose for those who found him an easy target to divert attention to/at him.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Marc C,

    Thanks. A very fair summary and your conclusions are spot on.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to mark taslov,

    Wow - another thanks. Gee, I'm glad some people could see what I saw too!

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Not The Messiah,

    And another!!!! Thanks!

    I feel so much better now :-).

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Marc C,

    I must say that Dotcom did not play such a positive role in it all. He may not have intended harm, but his stage shows, encouraging youth to keep chanting "F*** John Key", his prominence here and there, and his failure to keep his promise to prove Key knew about him before the Mansion raid in January 2012, did not help Internet Mana. Also his calling on on talk back radio to his media enemy Sean Plunket raised more questions than any answers. He has realised he did not contribute well, so that is accepted by me, who has been critical of that deal between Mana, Hone and the new Internet Party financed by Dotcom.

    Dotcom promised us an Italian 5 Star Movement by pitching for the Johnny Rotten vote. What we got instead was the Exclusive Brethren effect.

    And before we start calling for Labour to disband and start over, a charismatic leader who knows his stuff can apparently make a difference. Such as Justin Trudeau, who seems to offer hope for the Liberals after they bottomed out in the last Canadian elections. At the same time, the Canadian Tories have been shaken by some senior expenses scandals - with any luck David Parker's police charges against the Dirty Politics guilty parties could have the same legs.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Marc C,

    And as I am also a migrant from a country that was once not liked by New Zealanders, I know full well the power of labeling undesired migrants, for whatever reasons.

    Let me guess. Was it the country that produced the Rainbow Warrior bombers, or the country that produced Uwe Boll?

    As a matter of fact, New Zealanders can be very, very nasty, in their own ways, and the tall poppy syndrome is part of that.

    We seem to have a 'Howard battler' or 'Waitakere Man' duality of both tall-poppy syndrome and stealing the ladder of opportunity. One example of that duality believes those with both money and Left-leaning views are 'chardonnay socialists'.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    I’ve often heard British people refer to New Zealanders as hillbillies, no one fits this description better than the PM. There are still millions of cool people in New Zealand but wouldn’t you know it, they’re invariably the quiet ones, and the passive ones. on the fringes. Also as Steve mentioned on the other thread, there’s the old joke about the word gullible not being in the New Zealand dictionary.

    There’s not many ways to spin it. The Labour party suffered its worst defeat for eons and not only that but while voting red MPs the electorates were voting for National on the party vote. So comprehensive was this rout that rather than even hesitantly suggest something may not be right and call “recount!”, the party faithful spent the day examining pie charts and talking about an event 3 years ahead. In a week that was dominated by the Prime Minister being forced to deny pretty much conclusive evidence that we, a small, allegedly democratic nation, is engaged in mass surveillance, following weeks of serious allegations culminating in the resignation of a cabinet post, and most recently the PM absolutely losing his shit on nationwide broadcasts for a couple of days, issuing all manner of xenophobic barbs, echoed and repeated by a chorus of bent media. punctuated by the issuance of legal proceedings against the National party by the biggest whitest misogynist rapper in world history, and all occurring against a backdrop of revelations that 88 New Zealanders were spied on, which only came to light following an overcooked assault by 70 operatives who came in helicopters to arrest someone for copyright infringement at the behest of some folk 12,000km away.

    Random.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Let me guess. Was it the country that produced the Rainbow Warrior bombers, or the country that produced Uwe Boll?

    That may not help Sir.

    Dotcom promised us an Italian 5 Star Movement by pitching for the Johnny Rotten vote. What we got instead was the Exclusive Brethren effect.

    Dotcom was spied on, arrested with an illegal warrant, refused bail, refused the opportunity to sue for being spied on, assisted in ensuring an elected representative was convicted for election fraud, watched those who spied on him escape without conviction, took countless weeks, months, years of abuse, debasing and discrimination by the nation’s media and the Prime Minister of New Zealand. And our democracy failed him again and again at every stretch…is what happened. and you’re right up there with Johnny, second mate paddling that waka heaven knows where with a big grin pointing fingers at the immigrants.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    It’s not that I doubt your best intentions DeepRed, it’s just that, you know better.

    Do we have something like the Race Relations commissioner in New Zealand to stand up for our caucasian immigrants? Any oversight for any of these issues?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    This nation, that time and time again back-slaps itself for protesting apartheid, for fighting injustice, for standing up to the indefensible, in the name of righteousness and equality for all people no matter their colour or creed or religion or country of origin has fallen right off the planet
    USD.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    5. Patsies.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • brin murray, in reply to CRobinson,

    I'd agree. Still doesn't change the fact that the IES is not backed by any credible evidence that it works, though. $359 million dollars thrown away on brown-nosers (if they're out there) who'll back National Standards.

    nelson • Since Sep 2014 • 7 posts Report Reply

  • brin murray, in reply to Rob S,

    I agree you can simplify, and three main planks isn't bad at all, but that's not the fundamental problem. There's little point in breast-beating about policy because their policies were relatively clear and far better than National's. National didn't even push policy: working for New Zealand is all they needed - because of John Key. It's a personality cult pure and simple. The vast majority of people wanted him as Prime Minister, while Cunliffe who was down in the nine percents or whatever. Cunliffe's only chance was to break down that perception of Key as the Kiwi bloke next door, and expose him as the cynical media manipulator he in reality is. Cunliffe was handed the opportunity on a plate, through dirty politics and even the GCSB revelations - but funked it. He has been afraid to tackle Key when it counted and go in hard; he never even properly stuck it to him over policy failures, like education, national debt and asset sales, which should have been easy. And he backed National against Internet Mana - so minimizing the relevance of the Moment of Truth. What is he afraid of? Too late now.

    nelson • Since Sep 2014 • 7 posts Report Reply

  • brin murray, in reply to tussock,

    The alternative green economy in the US last year was worth a trillion dollars. The majority of California's energy is already provided for by solar power stations; solar cars race across Australia each year. Oil, coal and gas fuel archaic technologies and will eventually run out if we don't have the common sense to stop using them first, but the alternative is not poverty and decline. A progressive government would see the change that is coming as an opportunity. This should be our chance to be at the cutting edge of innovation, but instead National are focused on an age which is already nearly past.

    nelson • Since Sep 2014 • 7 posts Report Reply

  • brin murray, in reply to Marc C,

    I agree, except about Dotcom's promise to prove Key knew him well before the mansion raid. I think he probably did exactly that, with the email from the Hollywood mogul, but time will tell.
    I will say this: Paul Henry calling Dotcom 'the fat German criminal' on mainstream TV on election night, shows a comfort with contemptuous and near hate-filled xenophobia which can only come from a culture embedded deep within his organisation.
    Xenophobia is close kin to racism, pure and simple. I find it deeply disturbing that TV3 apparently finds this acceptable. It is frightening that this orchestrated hate campaign exists at all, and then that it is focused on Dotcom's being foreign as a key element of untrustworthiness/unlikeability.

    nelson • Since Sep 2014 • 7 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Marc C,

    If I was a full blooded, born and bred Kiwi with a social conscience, I would feel damned ashamed of the election results.

    I didn’t vote for what we got. My vote immunized me from having to suffer the ashamed. I am a bit pissed off, but that will pass. We are not the only country that looks like fools. I used to think the Americans where one homogenous mass. Then I realized that was incorrect. They are pretty much the same as us, but I have to say, they do it with more substance.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4327 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to steven crawford,

    My vote immunized me from having to suffer the ashamed

    With that in mind I oughta vote more often.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Pete,

    While NZers can be as racist and unwelcoming as you guys say, the reason I never liked Kim is he's a shifty bastard who has previous convictions

    Ignore what they say, watch what they do.

    Since Apr 2008 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson,

    People wondering if Labour and the Greens should merge - please explain in what crazy ass world there is any reason for the Greens to destroy what they've built to save the broken Labour party from itself. You've got a Labour problem, not a Green problem.

    I am thrilled to see the inevitable calls for Labour to throw the gays, the women, and the children under the bus in order to compete with National.

    This campaign and election reminded me that when put to it, we're a nation that loves a bully, hates an intellectual, and always prefers the comfortable lie. A nation where we don't want to know about the abuse of the powerless, but will stand up tall when anyone threatens the mythology of the powerful. In short, a nation of cowards.

    And no I don't need you to tell me that akshully we all mean well and it's not everyone and and and. As Pete says in a completely different context, ignore what they say, watch what they do.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • barnaclebarnes, in reply to tussock,

    ...because they will not shift. They have never shifted....

    So taken to its logical conclusion Greens will never be in power unless they win a clear majority? They can never work with any other party unless their values align 100%? A coalition has to make compromises no matter what side of the political spectrum it lies on.

    What may be better is to work on policies where there is at least some alignment or some willingness to accept a path that aligns.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 90 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to barnaclebarnes,

    What may be better is to work on policies where there is at least some alignment or some willingness to accept a path that aligns.

    Taken to its logical conclusion, that argument might suggest the Parliament should behave in a similar fashion.

    Is that what we want?

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Bodmin,

    The media has seized on the 1922 year as being the last time Labour received so few votes . It is getting rather boring unless what they are trying to remind us of is that although Labour were not in power then and would not be until 1935 the 1922 election was followed by the 1929 depression , the demise of the inept right coalition the formation of the National Party, then WWII just 4 years after Labour took over.

    Do the media think that they have taken over from the ancient pundits and can predict the future?

    Auckland • Since May 2014 • 10 posts Report Reply

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