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Hard News: Get yer avatars out

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  • Stephen Judd,

    Paul: robots.txt wouldn't fall under the definition of "a work", I would think, but if it did, S43A would probably let a spider off.

    However, that brings up the interesting issue that under the TCF model, only you, the complaintant, could assess that - the ISP to whom you complained would only be empowered to judge the technical process used to identify the infringer. So then they'd terminate the supposed offender, and it would be up to that party to lawyer up and sort you out.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Oops, that first link should have gone here.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    I am keeping my black avatar. I didn't have an avatar before the protest so I had nothing to black out. But now I have a black square, which I shall regard as an homage to Kasimir Malevich.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    No names, but if he had named someone there may have been work for defamation lawyers.

    Meh... any reputation that can be materially damaged by a 'roid on the body politics like Michael Laws, probably isn't worth defending.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • JP Hansen,

    But now I have a black square, which I shall regard as an homage to Kasimir Malevich.

    Damn, I thought it was homage to the record company's revised album cover to Spinal Tap's Smell The Glove.

    Waitakere • Since Nov 2006 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    Meh... any reputation that can be materially damaged by a 'roid on the body politics like Michael Laws, probably isn't worth defending.

    Agree, to a point. He clearly has an audience of devoted listeners. And we all know what the bite of a rabid dog can lead to.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    I do understand that the copyright owners have felt under siege on this one.

    I feel for them too - people want no-DRM, full-access, free-to-distribute, easily-copied examples of their work and seem to see no ground to be given.

    As much as DRM is a shite response (and 92A a million times worst), I do sometimes think that maybe the legitimate consumer might have to give a bit of ground.
    I'm not close enough to the workings to know what that might be though (registered devices that play copies? an acceptance of limited-numbers-of-copies per purchase etc etc?)

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Result!

    Government announces delay in 92A enactment until March 29. If no agreement by then, it will be suspended.

    Hat-tip: MsBehaviour on Twitter.

    My reading is that this puts pressure on the owners' lobby to deal.

    Even if agreement reached, government to monitor first six months and review.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    If no agreement by then, it will be suspended.

    Who is the group that provides formal agreement?

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Result!

    Wow... Generally if I take part in a cause, it's only to see it fail. Weird.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Ben McNicoll,

    I feel for them too - people want no-DRM, full-access, free-to-distribute, easily-copied examples of their work and seem to see no ground to be given.

    I do wonder if the larger media companies had been willing to re-examine their business model earlier, and had not made legitimately purchased downloadable product so unattractive by tying it up with poorly implemented DRM, and restrictive conditions, then perhaps the current user might not have got into the convenience of pirated product, and wouldn't expect all that for free.

    I'm thinking particularly of situations such as pc games that no-one can install because of the DRM, so purchasers have to use cracked copies just to get what they paid for, or Microsoft's "Plays for Sure" (think i've got that right?) DRM that they just stopped supporting from one day to another with no warning.

    But then another bit of me (the cynic) says it's hard to be more attractive than free.

    Grey Lynn • Since May 2007 • 115 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Who is the group that provides formal agreement?

    The Telecommunications Carriers Forum has written the draft code for its members and is negotiating with RIANZ et al. But that doesn't cover the other parties likely to be regarded as ISPs under the law.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    The Telecommunications Carriers Forum has written the draft code for its members and is negotiating with RIANZ et al. But that doesn't cover the other parties likely to be regarded as ISPs under the law.

    Thanks - so I guess it's a more informal thing with Government deciding if most major parties seem to be happy enough.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    Woo-hoo!

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1716 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    I second Idiot Savant's wohoo! (Or third, or fourth, or fifth, if I have hit post too late!)

    Great work to all those who put pressure on over this. Now we just need to follow-it through and make sure it happens the way we need it to.

    Puketapapa Mt Roskill, AK… • Since Dec 2007 • 234 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Thanks - so I guess it's a more informal thing with Government deciding if most major parties seem to be happy enough.

    That's the weird thing. There's no formal right in the law for RIANZ et al to have a view on the TCF code -- it's more of a courtesy.

    The TCF seems to be in quite a strong position. Hopefully they won't turn around and dump on their customers by shifting cost and other burdens that way.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Wow... Generally if I take part in a cause, it's only to see it fail. Weird.

    Indeed, I have some serious cognitive problems with success.

    Kudos to everyone who worked so hard, and stayed so reasonable, achieving this result.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Government announces delay in 92A enactment until March 29. If no agreement by then, it will be suspended.

    Hopefully this means the copyfight bomb will be defused, rather than the fuse being made longer.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Kudos to everyone who worked so hard, and stayed so reasonable, achieving this result

    Indeed. I do like to think I'm a reasonable sort of pig-fucker.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Jason Kemp,

    The underlying copyright issues won't go away. We should celebrate that a bad law is being delayed but much better to promote something more useful for next generation.

    Is that creative commons or something else?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 368 posts Report Reply

  • Lyndon Hood,

    W00t.

    Considering the Prime Minister said he'd 'seen a couple of articles' about the issue (or similar) this time last week that's quite an achievement.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1115 posts Report Reply

  • Grant Stone,

    Jason,

    Creative Commons is definitely a part of the next generation of copyright, but I doubt the big labels and studios will buy into it. Then again, there's a good number of scifi authors now who simultaneously release copyright books on paper and CC-licensed ebooks. Not sure if that really maps for music, since there's still a significant difference between a paper book and an ebook. MP3 vs CD, not so much.

    Auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 30 posts Report Reply

  • Judy Spencer,

    Apologies
    Sent an email to apologise for not making it on Saturday night,having RSVP'd, but discovered later that the email had been returned. Hope no one missed out on my account.

    Auckland • Since Feb 2008 • 23 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Indeed. I do like to think I'm a reasonable sort of pig-fucker.

    The man has a way with words.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    I do wonder if the larger media companies had been willing to re-examine their business model earlier, and had not made legitimately purchased downloadable product so unattractive by tying it up with poorly implemented DRM, and restrictive conditions, then perhaps the current user might not have got into the convenience of pirated product, and wouldn't expect all that for free.

    Too true. It's now been 10 years (to the month, I think), since I discovered the wonders of Napster and I'd argue that, fundamentally, none of what's happened since was unforseeable then.

    Woo-hoo

    Wow. Colour me surprised.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

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