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Re the Sean Plunkett interview with Simon Power. Which "2 parties" are being referred to by Mr Power? Is it just me, or is it unclear?
Is it :
the TCF and another party? eg (RIANZ)
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so the industry stats say that there is more new stuff being sold (allowing for inflation) than, say, 25 years ago?
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i thought the marketing machine's desire was to make maximum profit ;-)
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embedding disabled by request...
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3410,
Who is the video by?
Chris Graham.
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The other thing to remember is that we all listen to far, far more music than we did when we wuz young. My parent's car did not have a radio. I had an alarm radio in my bedroom. If I wanted to listen to my Floyd albums on vinyl I had to wait until I had the house to myself, so it was a treat. No we did not have a tape deck linked to the turntable.
Now when I sit down at the computer I turn on iTunes. I have an iPod and a way to connect it to the car stereo. I can choose so much to listen to music I choose that I have to consciously make an effort to listen to the radio.
When you grow up in this world your music becomes staler far quicker than it ever used to for us so they simply have far more music time to fill so they can consume the latest new thing and explore what Soft Machine were doing in 1967.
The nice thing is that I swap music with my early 20s offspring, I just added the latest Kings of Leon and introduced them to some Sneaky Feelings from <i>Send You</i>.
It's all Our music now.
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I could pretend I just wanted to get the word "disabled" into this thread, but Doh is the real answer.
Was my reference obvious enough
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Dammit, why can't sites standardise their HTML?
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Thank goodness for the text link beneath the auto-embedded clip.
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Hackers, in a word.
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racists! this video is not available in your country...
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Thank goodness for the text link beneath the auto-embedded clip.
Safari, Firefox, IE7 all seem fine.
Opera aint.racists! this video is not available in your country...
Consider yourself special...it's perhaps a little surprising that you still have access to dissident blogs and Gmail ;-)
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so the industry stats say that there is more new stuff being sold (allowing for inflation) than, say, 25 years ago?
The ratio of new to old has tipped towards the older but I don't know the ratio. Certainly major labels' return from catalogue as a percentage has vastly increased but that began in the 1980s when they went to CD and found ways to recycle the past, digital just added another layer to that.
The money made from catalogue exploitation has become a very major part of the revenue earned by labels, easily, if not more, as important to the multinationals as new acts. And it's relatively easy cash..no artist development, videos or pesky management. Hence the rush to acquire catalogue in the 1980s and 1990s. I wonder how many times over Universal has recovered the $300m PolyGram paid for Motown?
Catalogue acquisition is what made Universal the biggest of all the majors and even if they stopped releasing new acts, which for a couple of the majors ain't outside the realms of possibility and has been much discussed, they'd still turn a hefty profit.
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Send You
my personal favourite nz album of all time.
(P.I.T. Song was No.1 in the bFM alternative top 10 before the album was even released)
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@Simon
you confirm what i suspected. i also suspect that radio becoming even more conservative than 30 years ago (and the rise of music tv channels) has made it even harder to break new acts. if it weren't for the internet, no one would find out about anything new! (only slight exaggeration)
@Peter
in the 70s in AKL we listened to Radio Hauraki every day for years. And if that got boring there was always 1ZM as the alternative.
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i also suspect that radio becoming even more conservative than 30 years ago (and the rise of music tv channels) has made it even harder to break new acts
Happened to have coffee with Dubber and another radio guy a month or 2 ago, where this was discussed (perhaps Dubber had shot through by the time this was raised).
Model suggested by radio guy (UK) was labels negotiate to get airplay for a single or act. Leveraging relationship to gain airtime. Mainstream radio is unlikely to touch new acts unless there is evidence of wider promotion, or the single/act is "very strong" (in which case some form of label is likely to have attached themselves). Radio 1 was suggested as the key arbiter of what get's airplay in this neck of the woods. If Radio 1 give something the nod, then the other stations will follow. Much scoffing at suggestion that people are actually breaking through/out without support.
Just been cherry picking a few interesting articles by Andrew Odlyzko, who seems pretty prolific on the impact of digital media.
The most important concern for publishers and authors alike is that the Internet enables anyone to create new electronic publishing means. Such new distribution outlets may well overtake traditional publishing institutions, particularly when those institutions fail to keep up with the evolving needs of a scientific community.
OK, that comment was regarding scientific content, but could just as easily apply to a bunch of other content types.
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@Stephen
I only got to Auckland in '77. I remember around 1980ish a station opened that at the start played actual album tracks, not just successful singles. I can't for the life of me remember its name. For about 2months it was wonderful, then it switched to formula top40. Here in the UK Virgin Radio has morphed into Absolute Radio and their rock channel reminds me of it.I was fortunate to be in Dunedin in '94 my Freshers year. Pink Frost came out and became the song of the year. Radio1 played it once an hour on principle. I have a vinyl copy of Send You I cannot play but I got bought Positively George St for xmas and the last 3rd is it in essence and I am back there and then in a flash.
I want to buy the vinyl I've got on CD (Send You, Tuatara, Good Sounds Good, Hallelujah All The Way Home etc) but can't find them anywhere. At least there's good stuff on YouTube for when I need a hit of She's A Beatnik
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Consider yourself special...it's perhaps a little surprising that you still have access to dissident blogs and Gmail ;-)
Is PA a dissident blog, then? How neat! ;-)
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Much scoffing at suggestion that people are actually breaking through/out without support.
Arctic Monkeys?
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Arctic Monkeys?
Wikipedia indicates:
Their first single after signing to Domino, "I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor", was released on 17 October 2005 and went straight to #1 on the UK Singles Chart
Dunno that much about them.
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You need to read a little further down the article, Jon:
Arctic Monkeys achieved their success through fan-made demo tapes.They were heralded as one of the first acts to come to the public attention via the Internet, with commentators suggesting they represented the possibility of a change in the way in which new bands are promoted and marketed. The band eventually signed to the independent record label Domino Records
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/articles/2005/08/30/reading_festival_review_arctic_monkeys_feature.shtml
and http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1599974,00.html -
Catalogue acquisition is what made Universal the biggest of all the majors and even if they stopped releasing new acts, which for a couple of the majors ain't outside the realms of possibility and has been much discussed, they'd still turn a hefty profit.
Presumably there will continue to be a conversion of old music to digital and making it available. Even if the demand is relatively small, the investment and ongoing costs for providing reasonable digital is probably pretty small, so over 20 years of selling not very much, that still makes a profit.
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there's an exception to every rule...even this one.
How are the singles charts calculated in NZ these days? I recall hearing that the store managers for the likes of HMV (or whatever it was in the '90's) used to have a bit of a weekly game among themselves to see who could get a song to move furthest up the charts. Don't think anything as rigorous as actual sales came into the calculation.
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Not so much an exception as early proof that a different way can work - like Reznor, Radiohead, etc.
I recall Mr Grigg posting some time ago about the vagaries of the kiwi charts.
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