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Hard News: How much speech does it take?

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  • Islander, in reply to Che Tibby,

    The eccentricity is he kept it? Wore it?

    Mind you, keeping teeth of deceased relatives -or enemies- wasnt uncommon among the 1st settlers.(One of my whanau cousins has a tooth, reputedly from the last Kai Tahu fight with Kati Tama. His grandmother wore it as an earring because her husband had been at the scene, and knew she'd appreciate the gift(she'd lost very close relatives in the Kati Toa massacres further north.)And later, it was very common for mothers to keep fallen-out babyteeth (we found a pathetic wee fishpaste jar of same when clearing out the home of an elderly relative who'd survived all her 9 children...)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    I say, boy, play Misty for me...

    Bomber Bradbury called you a middle class fog horn
    i have a question. WTF does that even mean?

    a useful device to guide one through PC Soupers...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking, in reply to Martin Lindberg,

    If it was the Green Party surely they would be Yellow or Blue (zigzag) Papers.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • son of little p,

    well okay, it looks to me that what Mr Brown (in writing about Mr Norway), has quite overlooked, as has it would seem almost everyone here in his wake, is the acutely paradoxical - thus most revealing as always - aspect of the Norwegian fellow's whole mindset and and its culminating need to bring about this slaughter.. i'm talking of course about the realization that it may well be the very parameters of what is called 'multiculturalism' itself that are most responsible for his mental formation, that is, the desperate sense that his "cultural identity" is not, has not been, sufficiently respected.. Among many others, this recognition has been well expressed by the likes of the never less than fully astute Brendan O'Neill, who writes "

    "In his claim that he wanted to protect ‘white Christian identity’ from being overrun and crushed by an external powerful force - in this case Muslim immigrants - Breivik is merely indulging in an alternative form of multiculturalism. In different ways, both the 7/7 bombers and Breivik express the same sense of cultural paranoia, of cultural siege and victimhood. In recent years the right-wing critique of multiculturalism has ironically been shaped by the ethos of multiculturalism itself. From the English Defence League (which Breivik apparently had contact with) to authors who fret about Muslim immigration into Europe, there has been an attempt by right-wing elements to transform whiteness and Christianess into threatened identities, under siege from an almost colonialist tidal wave of Otherness. This sounds remarkably similar to the outlook of radical Islamists. Both groups accentuate and advertise their victim status and effectively compete for the respect of the overlords of identity-management in the multiculturalist elite. Where right-wingers warn of the rise of ‘Eurabia’, Islamists fret about the return of Christian crusaders; where right-wing activists claim their ‘white identity’ is not being accorded respect, Islamists claim their ‘Muslim identity’ is treated badly. The outlook of both groups is informed very powerfully by the victimology and craving for recognition inherent in multiculturalism".


    i am trusting here in making this post that the PA people present at this time will refrain from resorting once again to tiresome yapping about 'trolls', and simply, solemnly try and address the matter at hand

    Since Apr 2011 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to son of little p,

    the desperate sense that his "cultural identity" is not, has not been, sufficiently respected

    Because he's so special and because rich white men are victimised in Norway as everywhere else.

    He's a spoilt, angry little shit.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Sacha,

    With buggerall reason to go out and coldbloodily MURDER 68 teenagers he's never met in his life before (we assume.) Just because they were participants in a holiday camp run by a party he disliked.

    There is no way he can ever truely pay for this awful crime. Norwegians, being a civilised people in the main (I dislike their whalehunting) might keep him in prison for the rest of his life but a narcisscist like this will consider that a matrydom to inspire like-minded shits.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Solp@ Breivik was not underthreat by Muslims. His enermy were the Marxists, which under his ideology is everyone I know, even Don Brash is a Marxist by his definition. Being anti-marxist is more marketable than shouting Rassenschande and having oddly fashioned face pubes.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby, in reply to Islander,

    yeah, these were the teeth of strangers he wore to freak out other strangers.

    the late 60s have a lot to answer for :)

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    And today some anonymous commenter at Cresswell's blog is calling you, Danyl and those other filthy socialist bloggers "opportunistic peddlars of implied hate". It's probably all that implication that's really upsetting.

    The rest of us have "fevered imaginings" and "no grounding in reality" too.

    And there's no connection between hateful thinking, hateful talking and hateful acting. Nothing to see here.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • lloydois,

    Go have a look at the wonderful Katie on Crusader Rabbit.

    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=7728#comment-24436

    Hard to think of a more twisted response than this, these people truly are evil.

    Sydney • Since Jan 2008 • 12 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Che Tibby,

    Neat!
    (OK, I became an adult in the late 1960s, and gross-outs were part of the 'dis-associating from the last generation' picture.
    But - the earring (which is set in good Otago gold.) And the fishpaste jar (remarkably like a little urn.)
    Life - and people- = strange.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Just thinking,

    Rizla reds surely?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2898 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Just thinking,

    Solp@ Breivik was not underthreat by Muslims. His enermy were the Marxists, which under his ideology is everyone I know, even Don Brash is a Marxist by his definition. Being anti-marxist is more marketable than shouting Rassenschande and having oddly fashioned face pubes.

    And it's no coincidence that many neo-cons and Teabaggers are ex-Marxists. It's the dogmatic zeal that remains the same.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sacha,

    It’s probably all that implication that’s really upsetting.

    Probably because they think no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Oh oh oh - they do!
    But it's brown sugar!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Alex Coleman, in reply to lloydois,

    lloydois, and there I was thinking that the post I linked to earlier, ( a post on an off shore site), would be the most sotto voice praise for the massacre I would read.

    At CR they aren't even bothering with the sotto.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 247 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    And it’s no coincidence that many neo-cons and Teabaggers are ex-Marxists. It’s the dogmatic zeal that remains the same.

    Aaaaand the world's most spurious piece of anecdata rears its ugly head again.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Aaaaand the world’s most spurious piece of anecdata rears its ugly head again.

    When Francis Fukuyama broke big-time with the neo-cons, he likened them to Leninists:

    Neoconservatives believed that history can be pushed along with the right application of power and will. Leninism was a tragedy in its Bolshevik version, and it has returned as farce when practiced by the United States. Neoconservatism, as both a political symbol and a body of thought, has evolved into something I can no longer support.

    Other than that, the likes of Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin were neo-cons from the very start.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking, in reply to Hebe,

    Quite right.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    And it’s no coincidence that many neo-cons and Teabaggers are ex-Marxists. It’s the dogmatic zeal that remains the same.

    Lindsay Perigo was brought up in a Marxist household; Keith Windschuttle and Elizabeth Rata are both apostates. Martin Durkin, producer of The Great Global Warming Swindle, was a member of a group around Marxism Today. It's quite a thing.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade,

    There's a crazyness to online political rhetoric and discussions which makes participating in them quite painful.

    Personally all I really want is referenced facts, especially on economic performance in the last fourty years. Very narrow , I know ,but I like real faces in front of me for other subjects, although I really appreciate some of the information offered here .

    Fact gatherers versus cultural warriors.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    When Francis Fukuyama broke big-time with the neo-cons, he likened them to Leninists:

    Wow, is Francis Fukuyama actually your source? That’s pretty funny. Because you know, Roger Douglas will go to his grave insisting that he’s the one true socialist. We should totally define socialism on the basis of what he says.

    But it’s not even what Fukuyama is saying. Could you kindly point me to a prominent member of the neoconservative movement who used to be a Marxist? How about Wolfowitz? Perle? Kristol? Cheney? Feith? Fukuyama himself? A number of them were in fact former members of the Democratic party or social democrats, like Abrams. Somehow though you never hear people say look, that guy at university was a moderate leftie and now he’s a rabid right winger – there must be something really wrong with the moderate left.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Lindsay Perigo was brought up in a Marxist household; Keith Windschuttle and Elizabeth Rata are both apostates. Martin Durkin, producer of The Great Global Warming Swindle, was a member of a group around Marxism Today. It’s quite a thing.

    No, it really is not. Firstly, because if you broaden it to "being brought up in a Marxist household", it reaches Family Ties-like levels of silly. And secondly, because I could bring up a lot more people who swung from the social democratic left to the rabid right. Like, I don't know, Douglas, Caygill, Prebble, Bassett.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • son of little p,

    hmmm... so it would appear that the likes of "spoilt, angry little shit" represents the limit of PA's currently uncontested psycho-social analysis?

    Since Apr 2011 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Somehow though you never hear people say look, that guy at university was a moderate leftie and now he’s a rabid right winger – there must be something really wrong with the moderate left.

    Moderates have tended to stay moderate, or their rightward shift is otherwise far less pronounced, such as Helen Clark. It's the hardliners who are more prone to sharp political turncoating later in life.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

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