Hard News: How much speech does it take?
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mark taslov, in reply to
choose art.
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Paul Williams, in reply to
but they are notoriously hard to define in universal terms. I happen to think that it's a good thing, that we don't have a test that forecloses any kind of argument a priori. If that makes me a question dodger, so be it, but that's my answer: we have criteria in law; they are tested by the courts; they are continuously updated as society and the media evolve.
There goes Giovanni again, saying what I meant but sadly failed to say...
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Yamis, in reply to
I've been thinking of saying something similar to what Giovanni wrote there but didn't know how to word it.
So that's got me off the hook.
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Basically when it comes to the freedom of speech and over stepping the line it's all about the vibe.
I do however reserve the right to over step the lines when any sport team I follow is having a barry crocker.
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The lines that DCBCauchi refers to are drawn all the time, but they are notoriously hard to define in universal terms.
The footer of the bill draws the line.
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Max Call, in reply to
Actually, I vaguely remember a short story, probably Irish, about someone who had died in a way that meant that they could not be buried in consecrated ground, so they were buried adjacent to but outside the churchyard. One night, the people of the village came out, tore down the wall, and rebuilt it to enclose the fresh grave.
this gave me the weird but lovely sensation of both smiling and tears welling up simultaneously. Happy and sad.
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Sacha, in reply to
At the supermarket, assisting capitalism.
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Sacha, in reply to
bigger than I remember.
has Matt turned on auto-sizing? -
we have criteria in law; they are tested by the courts; they are continuously updated as society and the media evolve.
There goes Giovanni again, saying what I meant but sadly failed to say…
Seconded, thirded, πed, whatever.
Because I’m not an Objectivist, I don’t believe that you can quantify offensiveness and use quanta of offensiveness in algebra, so the old vague measure of “community standards” articulated through a “jury of one’s peers” is preferable to me. It may not be definite, but it’s adaptable, and provides as good a measure as any of the prevailing moral climate as it continues to change.
Of course it’s all the more cause to worry about the decline of the jury system.
(Because I can’t resist, if one were to quantify offensiveness, what would one name the units? “Well, I read Ansell’s letter and it scored only 0.38 Carrolls of logical absurdity due to its illogic, but a whopping great 7.21 Murdochs of sheer nastiness”)
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Islander, in reply to
That's an idea to riff on!
Erm, later this evening. After my perfect venison stew ( animal killed by a nephew & grandnephew. Cooked by my mother and me....droolsome.Cheers!~)
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Eruv the dog the bit you...
one line
hooked and sunk
(the whole thing)the line
you have to draw it somewhere
(all art begins here)straight line
plumbed
(with all the right angles)off line
if not over the...
(not connecting)what's my line
dirty linen airing
(and pocket lining)line seed
linum - flax - old rope
(the fibre of society)YOU are the line
draw your own conclusions
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Just thinking, in reply to
I have a family member buried off hallowed ground. The crime he was kicked out of the church yard for was mustering on a Sunday. A few of the family left the Church, the rest of us said the Priest was a dick.
West Coast true story, but before my time. -
A line drawn in sand can be obliterated by passing wind.
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Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
Jefferson,
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DexterX, in reply to
* if we must simplify politics to geometry, I prefer the two dimensions of economic and social rather than the single Left vs Right.
That is a view that I share - furthermore IMHO the left and right are irrelevant and a distraction of sorts that fog the real issues.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
* if we must simplify politics to geometry, I prefer the two dimensions of economic and social rather than the single Left vs Right.
As we all know, the Political Compass codifies that.
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DexterX, in reply to
To you and Giovanni,
Media need to set/subscribe to a standard and self regulate its own code to a major degree, where that mechanism fails then there is a role for the “state” to play.
We have the BSA, Race & Human Rights Commission(ers) the BSA & the NZ Press Council and failing that the Courts.
Hateful speech should not be suppressed, but countered with yet more speech.
The state has the role to play in defining what is objectionable, offensive and hateful - and to dealing with those "publications" and publishers/issuers where that material is criminal - hate speech being a crime.
It is debatable whether any counter speech would have prevented Breivik's violence.
I have no answers for his actions. -
This is interesting:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2063952,00.html
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
This is interesting:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2063952,00.html
Classic denial-of-service attacks. Whereas the NewsCorp hackers merely pulled off more precise vandalism/disinformation/hoaxes.
In NZ the Web still has some way to go before it reaches the level of Old Media's influence.
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Sacha, in reply to
A line drawn in sand can be obliterated by passing wind.
Beans are bad for boundaries.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
Beans are bad for boundaries.
What's this about beans now?
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There should be some sort of Godwin's Law about fart jokes. Like, once you get there, you can't talk about what constitutes art or free speech any more. :)
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Big Brother to the rescue...
Well the Americans have solved the problem
by compelling ISPs to keep a record of all users
internet use history for at least 12 months...
I'm sure this will be used responsibly to monitor
hate speech as well as pedophiles, yeah right!
- look for this to be added to the TPPA,
if the US Government survives the next week...and more worries about Stuxnet
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Sacha, in reply to
one can but hope
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...and after all the US is renowned for making the
world safe from dangerous ideas...Soy it isn't so...
Godwin’s Law about fart jokes
you mean Go Winds Law
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DCBCauchi, in reply to
The state has the role to play in defining what is objectionable, offensive and hateful – and to dealing with those “publications” and publishers/issuers where that material is criminal
Yes, it does. As I understand it, Giovanni, Kracklite, and others are saying that the basis on which it defines these things is (and should be) on an ad hoc case-by-case basis according to the political climate of the time.
As a publisher/issuer, I'm saying that that is not good enough. Actual principles underpin legal restrictions on our rights, and are the ultimate protection of those rights.
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